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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by collaborative »

1_player wrote: post #182
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #167

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> Do you expect Windows 10 to run on a Pentium II with 512MB RAM as well, because some version of Linux does? ...Yes? What is it doing that wouldn't fit in those constraints?

I do not absolutely get this obtuse question. It is not my place to justify why modern software is so inefficient, pointing the finger to Windows 10 in particular as if it's an outlier. Why are YOU using inefficient languages, heavyweight virtual machines, GB sized binaries, Electron and Javascript to write your applications? Why is your boss asking to add feature upon feature upon feature? There is a reason we're in…

It's a bit more complex than that. VMs are a necessity because we need to run the same code on a Mac, a Windows and a Linux machine. Since these 3 OSs don't want to agree to a common standard we are left with applications that ship their own JRE etc. In some cases this isn't terrible as a runtime environment can take up just under 100MB and performance isn't that bad

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by tester756 »

asdff wrote: post #194
1_player wrote: post #182

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I do not absolutely get this obtuse question. It is not my place to justify why modern software is so inefficient, pointing the finger to Windows 10 in particular as if it's an outlier. Why are YOU using inefficient languages, heavyweight virtual machines, GB sized binaries, Electron and Javascript to write your applications? Why is your boss asking to add feature upon feature upon feature? There is a reason we're in…

Where do people even pick this sort of stuff up to take with them into industry? Are they teaching Electron development now in undergrad CSE programs instead of C?

Speaking of C languages

C++ still does need more resources to compile programs than AAA games and keep running for 20min / 1h / 2h / 4h?

What were they teaching those compilers engineers and language designers back in the day? nothing about writing performant code, performance tests, regressions and yada yada?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by zokula »

Arainach wrote: post #75
jayd16 wrote: post #43

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Do people still think to defrag HDDs on windows? I wonder if that's an issue people are seeing.

You haven't needed to manually defragment hard drives in Windows in decades.

Yes you do. In fact in Windows/NTFS you can lose gigs of space from disk fragmentation.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by siproprio »

vel0city wrote: post #218
siproprio wrote: post #215

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There's a calculator discussion now that calc is open source: https://github.com/microsoft/calculator/issues/209 All other UWP apps that do not get GitHub attention are 100x worse. Microsoft Photos, for instance...

Microsoft Photos also loads noticeably faster than Excel for me. Mail (the default Windows app) also loads faster than Excel. Edge loads faster than Excel. Your statement was: > I always like to remind folks that it takes longer to open calculator - or windows terminal - than to open excel. but anecdotally this does not hold out for me. Not even close.

Anecdotally, this holds out for me.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by emptyparadise »

TheCapn wrote: post #72
haunter wrote: post #9

On my current gaming PC (i7-7700) I have installed W10 in 2017 and... no problem whatsoever? SSD, 10s boot. idk how do people end up with all the problems. I'm really curious because there must be an underlying reason

Sometimes it isn't all that simple. My work laptop runs W10. At some point in the last 3 months or so, an update came in and fucked up Windows Explorer. About 5 times in a work day I need to use Task Manager to reboot Windows Explorer because the following things stop working: - Cannot type into the start menu (the entire menu goes black. If I backspace anything I typed -despite not being able to see it- it will work…

If it's on a work laptop, it could be IT shenanigans.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

sharms wrote: post #146

Disappointed I didn't see fairly reasonable explanations around processor security bugs which impact broad system performance such as Spectre and Meltdown. This has a significant impact on Linux and Microsoft has even outlined that these fixes impact their performance (there have been many more security bugs identified since): https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2018/01/09/understan...

If this is really what's making the difference... I wonder if these mitigations shouldn't be automatically enabled for home users.

The chances of Spectre or Meltdown actually managing to acquire sensitive data seems incredibly low. Is that worth the very large performance impact?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by FpUser »

jokoon wrote: post #104
sph wrote: post #71

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Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

I don't understand this argument, could you explain why modern software cannot run on old hardware? It sounds like it's justifying planned obsolescence.

That depends. Many developers are now using Electron, .NET and other tech to develop software. Those are heavy and do not like old computers with limited resources."

My desktop products are made in Delphi (compiles to native code) and are very responsive and frugal on resources. Run fine on very old hardware. Desktop products done in C++ would be even better but I am not masochistic enough to develop GUI in C++. At least for now.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by nso »

marcosdumay wrote: post #164
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Win10 is perfectly fine on HDDs. You just have to install Linux on the bare metal, and create a Win10 VM leaving at least 3GB of RAM to the Linux caches. This is faster than W10 on bare metal with SSD and the same physical amount of RAM.

Why is this?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by collaborative »

jaywalk wrote: post #138
at-fates-hands wrote: post #126

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>> As I mentioned down thread, you can get 1TB Samsung SSDs right now for $80. You ever think about the college kid who can't afford that price? What about the family of five living on food stamps who can't just pony up the money for better hardware? What about large swaths of the population who are on fixed incomes? The way software companies are going and your general attitude is, "Eh, this is old technology, anybo…

So instead of helping her learn one of the many (free) web-based tax applications, you built her a new computer to run a new (paid) version of the tax software she was already using? How does that even make sense?

At 80 many can't manage to learn anything new or different
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