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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by zlynx »

PaulHoule wrote: post #2

This exactly mirrors my experience. "Starting" is slow in Windows and just keeps getting slower. That could be booting, logging in, waiting for an application to start, waiting some more for an application to start, and then waiting even more, not being sure if it ever is going to start, waiting some more, and then it starts.

Not counting BIOS time it is about 5 seconds to Windows login on my Windows with NVMe systems. It does take about 20 seconds after login for it to finish loading all of the tiny startup notification icons, but that's actually intentional by Windows so it does not overload and prevent you from launching the apps you want. After login I can click on the web browser or email and it will launch instantly for me.

If you are doing a lot of waiting look into getting an SSD for your boot drive.

Or you're running some kind of corporate security product that is going to a remote server for "Mother, may I launch this?" on every EXE and DLL.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by boba7 »

seniorThrowaway wrote: post #10
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

I have an older laptop with an hdd. It always was under powered but still usable for things like streaming to a tv every once in a while. The latest Win10 updates have it taking minutes to run a search or context switch. Feels like we are getting into phone territory of forced HW upgrades for everything now.

I'm upgrading computers in my University with 8GB of ram and ssd and poof, 2011 computers run W10 just fine once again.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

zlynx wrote: post #11
PaulHoule wrote: post #2

This exactly mirrors my experience. "Starting" is slow in Windows and just keeps getting slower. That could be booting, logging in, waiting for an application to start, waiting some more for an application to start, and then waiting even more, not being sure if it ever is going to start, waiting some more, and then it starts.

Not counting BIOS time it is about 5 seconds to Windows login on my Windows with NVMe systems. It does take about 20 seconds after login for it to finish loading all of the tiny startup notification icons, but that's actually intentional by Windows so it does not overload and prevent you from launching the apps you want. After login I can click on the web browser or email and it will launch instantly for me. If you a…

The point is, why does OP need to spend money on an SSD (and create e-waste in the process) when an HDD used to be reasonably fast for the same task?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by c7DJTLrn »

boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

I could be completely wrong, but my guess at the cause would be the registry. Every functionality and feature in Windows has a flag somewhere in the registry. Every query is probably a disk read, and it's a blocking operation of course. Sure, there's probably a cache, but that cache is only so large.

There's a program that I can't recall the name of that can trace registry queries in the program it's attached to. You can attach to basically any process in Windows and see a monstrous number of registry queries.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by LarryDarrell »

haunter wrote: post #9

On my current gaming PC (i7-7700) I have installed W10 in 2017 and... no problem whatsoever? SSD, 10s boot. idk how do people end up with all the problems. I'm really curious because there must be an underlying reason

I think the Startup Processes really gets abused and people default to blame Windows for it. My time to a usable desktop seemed slow until I removed Teams, Steam, Dropbox and some other update utilities from Startup. Now it's pretty much instant.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by kevinskii »

haunter wrote: post #9

On my current gaming PC (i7-7700) I have installed W10 in 2017 and... no problem whatsoever? SSD, 10s boot. idk how do people end up with all the problems. I'm really curious because there must be an underlying reason

Great question. I'm wondering the same thing. I also built a PC in 2017 and installed Windows 10 on it. It initially had a 7s boot time following bios startup. Several updates later, the boot time is now close to a minute and app startup times are noticeably slower as well. I've always been very careful about what software I install on it. I've done all of the standard troubleshooting, but so far it hasn't gotten bad enough to warrant a fresh install.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by willis936 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #13
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Yeah, Win10 is very drive performance dependent. You can run it fine on a Pentium 4, but you need an SSD.

As someone who manages a fleet of 30 windows machines that house PCI DAQ cards: Windows 10 runs on a Pentium 4, but I wouldn't call it fine. All of the machines run on SSDs, which is a godsend, but the older machines that run pentiums involve a lot of waiting around to do the most basic of things. It doesn't help that Windows refuses to us less than 1.5 GB of RAM. You can forget web browsing.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by PaulHoule »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #14
zlynx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not counting BIOS time it is about 5 seconds to Windows login on my Windows with NVMe systems. It does take about 20 seconds after login for it to finish loading all of the tiny startup notification icons, but that's actually intentional by Windows so it does not overload and prevent you from launching the apps you want. After login I can click on the web browser or email and it will launch instantly for me. If you a…

The point is, why does OP need to spend money on an SSD (and create e-waste in the process) when an HDD used to be reasonably fast for the same task?

I have an SSD for a boot drive on my personal and work computers. Both go out for lunch for long periods of time.

It might be me.

I know my reaction time is 35% faster than my teenage son. I am much more bothered by latency than other people, I'm starting to think that I experience more time than other people.

I can't stand playing single-player games on a Samsung TV that isn't in game mode. The sloppy response drains out all my fun.

When I was playing League of Legends on a "gaming" laptop I found I couldn't ever win (not feel like I was floundering, attacks hitting me and i couldn't do anything about, people avoiding my attacks 100% of the time) until I attached an external monitor. I took movies and could show the timer was 30 ms late on the internal monitor compared to the internal monitor.

Most people seem indifferent to this sort of thing, but not me.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by londons_explore »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #15
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

I could be completely wrong, but my guess at the cause would be the registry. Every functionality and feature in Windows has a flag somewhere in the registry. Every query is probably a disk read, and it's a blocking operation of course. Sure, there's probably a cache, but that cache is only so large. There's a program that I can't recall the name of that can trace registry queries in the program it's attached to. You…

The registry is plenty small enough to keep the whole thing in RAM
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