Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers
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#2So what's the problem? Is that unethical or illegal?
Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers
#3So what's the problem? Is that unethical or illegal?
The issue with it is that if your performance isn't up to scratch managers are more incentivized to force you out than to work with you to get your performance up.
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#4I don't think this is news to anyone. Yes, Amazon has an "unregretted attrition" target. The only surprising thing was this:
> The company expects more than one-third of employees on performance improvement plans to fail, documents show
I assumed it was much higher.
Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers
#5I don't think this is news to anyone. Yes, Amazon has an "unregretted attrition" target. The only surprising thing was this: > The company expects more than one-third of employees on performance improvement plans to fail, documents show I assumed it was much higher.
85% - 100% is technically "more than one-third".
Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers
#6So what's the problem? Is that unethical or illegal?
The issue with it is that if your performance isn't up to scratch managers are more incentivized to force you out than to work with you to get your performance up.
Not just that. They can be more lax in their hiring processes. That is unethical.
Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers
#7I don't think this is news to anyone. Yes, Amazon has an "unregretted attrition" target. The only surprising thing was this: > The company expects more than one-third of employees on performance improvement plans to fail, documents show I assumed it was much higher.
I was under the impression that a PIP was nearly always a "here's your chance to get another job" warning, and never really an earnest chance to improve. Does anyone understand differently?
Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers
#8So what's the problem? Is that unethical or illegal?
Have you heard of hire to fire? When there's an incentive to game a metric, the metric gets gamed.
Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers
#9I don't think this is news to anyone. Yes, Amazon has an "unregretted attrition" target. The only surprising thing was this: > The company expects more than one-third of employees on performance improvement plans to fail, documents show I assumed it was much higher.
I think they may be conflating Focus and PIP/Pivot, since they mention 35% w.r.t. focus later in the article.
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#10I always have to wonder at what point does this just result in lower productivity if you know you're going to have to leave a company within a few years to another company and go through the whole process again? I understand that some folks don't learn or catchup all that much but at some point GOOD ENOUGH should be GOOD ENOUGH. Instead, we have entire corporations who predicate their HR culture on the idea of constant churn on what seems like baseless theories. If it's your immediate boss that's tired of one particular slacker that's one thing but it's a wholly different situation when HR comes down on your boss demanding they fire 6% of their team whether or not they're doing great. It's this kind of stuff that I think makes it suck to work in software anymore.