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Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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I would just toss that

It was his favorite keyboard. He would've cried, TBH. Consider it was a place where one guy hoarded 15 years of WSJ in his office. When staff are excellent professionals in the field, they get to do all sort of weird things.

In that case whenever I need to do anything on his machine I would just bring my own keyboard. Regardless that’s gross and unsanitary, probably attracted all sorts of pests.

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It can also just be an HR challenge in some organizations. It shouldn’t be, but sometimes organizations can get pretty rigid on how they define jobs and roles.

It is weird sometimes. Took me about ten recruiters reaching out before I finally found a company that was even willing to negotiate on vacation days. I have 23 vacation days a year, no thanks, I’m not going back to 15 until I work at your company for five years. Just accepted a new position with a 15% pay raise and 20 days, which when I do the math 23x=20x*1.15, which is funny because I came up with the number right…

And I am here complaining about my 30 vacation days. Good to get some perspective sometimes.

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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I mean, this is Hacker News, most people here are in a privileged place compared to the rest of the world. That's kind of the audience. I'm fully aware not everyone is in this position to request or push for work/life balance. I've worked a decent amount of shitty jobs in my day, in fast food, retail, shipping/receiving, warehouse work. I've gone through periods where I was so physically exhausted after work I didn't…

My main thesis is that this is almost purely a population problem. The developed world can give up all their creature comforts and it would still not nearly be enough to even put a dent in anything. We are already dealing with famine and disease in many places of the world. Independent of whether or not this is climate caused, we can't solve it without expending large resources and using the industrial might that we'…

> Retarding population growth is _the_ single biggest thing we can do as a species to reduce climate damage

Retarding economic growth is, a better candidate, if you limit it to “retarding growth”; you’d need substantial and rapid population reduction (not just “retarding growth”) to offset the expected effects of near term economic development outside of the West.

Obviously, the biggest thing we could do to end anthropogenic clomate change is species-scale mass suicide. No anthropos, no anthropogenic climate change.

OTOH, most people who want to address that problem don’t actually think that doing the most we can on that unconditionally overrides all other concerns.

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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You pay for employee training. You don’t pay for contractor training.

What training? I had to pay for my own college degree, my employer didn't pay for that, but they do require it.

College is not job training. I'm not sure why this misconception is so widespread. I have a degree but my employers do pay for relevant training for my job. It's not like the industry stopped evolving 10 years ago.

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We did this at my new company. One 30 minute scheduled standup. That’s the only meeting we have all week. Of course people are free to jump on a video call to work through stuff, but scheduled meetings are generally discouraged, and to date we only have the one. Since everyone is contract, we’re seeing an average of about 26 hours per week. It’s by far the most productive team I’ve ever been on or have built. We ship…

This sounds great. I don't want to have to pretend to care about my company or it's "culture". I just want to do some work and get paid for it.

Well the point isn’t to not care. We want devs that care about the quality of their code and genuinely want to focus on _just_ that. I get some people want more out of a job, and that’s totally fine. But I think there’s a good portion of people that just want to do work and spend the rest of their time with their family, or hobbies or whatever.

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My main thesis is that this is almost purely a population problem. The developed world can give up all their creature comforts and it would still not nearly be enough to even put a dent in anything. We are already dealing with famine and disease in many places of the world. Independent of whether or not this is climate caused, we can't solve it without expending large resources and using the industrial might that we'…

> Retarding population growth is _the_ single biggest thing we can do as a species to reduce climate damage Retarding economic growth is, a better candidate, if you limit it to “retarding growth”; you’d need substantial and rapid population reduction (not just “retarding growth”) to offset the expected effects of near term economic development outside of the West. Obviously, the biggest thing we could do to end anthr…

That is sort-of the subtext of my thinking on this whole thing. Want to limit famine? You will warm the globe. Want to cool the planet? Production and industrialization needs to halt which will increase famine.

It is all a balancing act and I am not convinced any balance we find won't result in massive suffering and loss of life somewhere.

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From my experience visiting, there were lots of jobs that were "nice to have". Like the man making sure people don't fall in the hole, or the person standing by the carpark exit making sure the way is clear. You could probably do without them, but it's a nice thing to have. There's lots of examples of that, people doing things that you would see brutally optimized out of western city and those cities I feel are worse…

Case in point: I saw once an older man washing traffic cones in Japan. I don’t think traffic cones get washed in the US.

I found this patent for “Apparatus for cleaning a traffic cone” : https://patents.google.com/patent/GB2434970A/en

It references other patents (prior and subsequent).

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What training? I had to pay for my own college degree, my employer didn't pay for that, but they do require it.

College is not job training. I'm not sure why this misconception is so widespread. I have a degree but my employers do pay for relevant training for my job. It's not like the industry stopped evolving 10 years ago.

College is not job training and yet it's training that most jobs require. Hmmmmm....sounds like BS.

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Yeah but why not just have literal slaves and not require that people have health insurance. The reductive "race to the bottom" can go both directions

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by this comment. I used a real world example of businesses with high customer-facing labor costs relative to their net profit margins. If you're getting into the everyone-deserves-a-living-wage side of things, that's a different conversation, one I tend to agree with, but is much more complex than the current discussion about whether current business could manage this if they opera…

If the business is not sustainable without living wages, it doesn't deserve to exist, just like there's no more chattel slaves picking cotton.

I'm sure the economics of paying for work on plantations also did not add up.

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Sometimes I think what passes for appropriately staffed in the West is actually understaffed. What's called optimal staffing in the West is just at capacity, which is a nice way of saying "with no spare capacity." Of course, with Japan being the land of just-in-time, one could argue that spare capacity is bad -- but that's an oversimplification. Necessary spare capacity is good. What's bad is not being able to addres…

My pet conspiracy theory is that Toyota's liberal knowledge sharing with competitors is really a psy-op to keep the competitors perpetually on the edge of ruin while they laugh all the way to the bank. They don't even have to be deceptive about it. Just in time is obviously about not having undue spare capacity, not about not having any spare capacity at all. But Toyota knows this nuance is going to be lost on buzzwo…

> Just in time is obviously about not having undue spare capacity,

Also about making spare capacity undue. The lazy solution to unreliable delivery is inventory. The efficient solution is working with the supplier to make delivery more reliable.

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