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Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by londons_explore »

xenospn wrote: post #174
causality0 wrote: post #28

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Yeah. I had complete loss of smell and taste, which came back about 90% over the next six weeks. It was fine for a month and then it went wonky. Probably 30% of my "scent spectrum" has now been replaced with the same burnt meat smell/taste. Everything from chocolate to feces to hamburgers now has the same core odor. It really, really sucks.

My social media manager had the exact same reaction. She says it’s getting better very slowly - she can still only stomach eating rice and bread, though. Everything else makes her throw up immediately.

Who are you that you can't operate social media yourself?

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by bequanna »

MAGZine wrote: post #77
ganzuul wrote: post #41

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Call me stupid for waiting to get vaccinated... But I'm not stupid enough to base that decision on a Twitter thread. The problem I have is that inclusive discussion is being suppressed, and I can't make a decision based on clearly biased information. ref. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY

You should not make your decisions based on social media AT ALL. if you have questions, talk to a physician.

Umm, no. I wouldn’t expect an honest answer from them unless you know one personally.

They have no incentive to give you advice that even they feel is correct or safe. It isn’t their fault, however, as physicians are limited to providing you with the generally accepted standard of care. Anything that deviates from this opens them up to a malpractice lawsuit.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by splithalf »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

But the virus is “all natural”!

You can trust Mother Nature more than a bunch of creepy pharma-scientists. Didn’t you see Godzilla?

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by MAGZine »

bequanna wrote: post #182
MAGZine wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should not make your decisions based on social media AT ALL. if you have questions, talk to a physician.

Umm, no. I wouldn’t expect an honest answer from them unless you know one personally. They have no incentive to give you advice that even they feel is correct or safe. It isn’t their fault, however, as physicians are limited to providing you with the generally accepted standard of care. Anything that deviates from this opens them up to a malpractice lawsuit.

You literally contradicted yourself. They are legally AND morally obligated to provide you with the best care society can provide.

Not only can they be sued for malpractice, but they could lose their license entirely. Losing their only means of making money sounds like strong incentive, not to mention it would require violating an oath that doctors take VERY seriously.

And for what motive?

And yes, you should know your personal/family physician well. That's the whole point. They should be able to offer you personalized, cohesive care with continuity. They should be able to advise you on your own specific condition.

If you choose to neglect their advice, do not disparage them. If your views do not reflect the best practice of medicine, that's on you. They have no incentive to injure you, and implying otherwise is extremely disingenuous.

Note, I'm not saying you can't have these views, don't just attack others baselessly in order to defend those views.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by loteck »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #169
loteck wrote: post #129

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I'm introducing into your narrative a notion of morality in addition to your narrative (and the siblings narrative) of whether covid vaccination is in your self-interest.

It’s not purely self interest. If you note, my comment says my “or worse” outcome is that I steal hospital care from _someone else_ in a zero-sum game. I’m asking what is special about _this_ virus beyond being a “hospital killer.” I don’t believe COVID has a monopoly on your narrative (chain of transmission leading to death). I’m asking if I should be special casing COVID, or treating it like any other virus.

On a per-vaccine basis, you could consider the advice of doctors and health professionals, plus the moral implications you're comfortable with, and balance those against self-interest.

You've asked "what am I missing?" and from your narrative I'm asking if you're missing the morality.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by kybernetikos »

lagadu wrote: post #151
jdhendrickson wrote: post #141

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That philosophy is fine when the resulting issues only harm the person taking that attitude, herd immunity, viral mutation due to more hosts, and a plethora of other reasons don't allow us to take the live and let live attitude about vaccinations this time around.

I'll be getting downvoted but it doesn't matter: it's you. You and people like you are the reason I'm not getting vaccinated. I'm from a time when having and exercising autonomy over what one does or does not with their own body was something celebrated, however now society has normalized insulting and bullying people for making their own choices. I will not tolerate a society that does this, fortunately I'm in a pos…

> I will not tolerate a society that does this, fortunately I'm in a position to hurt it by simply not getting vaccinated.

Don't think of it as hurting a society that upsets you, think of it as hurting the individual people who get a serious disease through no fault of their own and suffer and die from it. It's very unlikely you'll hurt any of the people who have upset you - they are probably all well vaccinated.

There are all sorts of actions you could take to promote bodily autonomy, and I'd support them, but if you're really choosing to do this one out of spite because some small section of society has offended you, then I would encourage you to find a different way to express your distress.

> So yes. You are the reason I'm doing my part to ensure we'll never achieve herd immunity. Good job.

Along with your old fashioned view on bodily autonomy, I'd suggest you take a old fashioned view on personal responsibility too and try to avoid blaming others for a choice that you are making.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by nradov »

goodoldneon wrote: post #11
loceng wrote: post #9

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I wish I could get people that don't understand the nuances to deeply look into, study the mRNA vaccine, currently known issues including long haul COVID symptoms of people who've only had the vaccine (via the spike protein which has turned out to be cytotoxic and seems to break away causing issues), and look seriously into the Ivermectin research and its suppression; and yes, certainly I'll be downvoted because peop…

It’s hard to trust people who make a bold claim, only to back it up with “do the research”. Why don’t you link to some of these reputable Ivermectin studies?

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.eclinm.2021.100959

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by nradov »

vajrabum wrote: post #55
ekianjo wrote: post #43

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> You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? Rather than injecting yourself with mRNA which will create long-term antibodies in your organism which will be reactivated any time something like COVID19 appears again in the nature, it's probably safer to rely on COVID19 treatments are are short lived (as in, metabolized) and reduce the viral load swiftly.

What other viral diseases are easily treatable by medication as opposed to vaccination? Are there any?

Hepatitis C can be cured in most patients with a course of sofosbuvir (Sovaldi).

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by vladTheInhaler »

drno123 wrote: post #150
lrem wrote: post #23

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Your very high probability rides on the virus dying down. Which will happen after enough people get vaccinated to bring Reff < 1. Which with the original variant required 50% of the population and probably only adults counted. With the newest variant, that threshold grows to about 80% and probably needs to involve children. The longer we wait, the higher the chance it will never die down.

People who have got Covid are also immune - there is a paper published in Nature which showed that even people who had mild cases of Covid have long-term (possibly) lifetime Covid immunity. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4

Except that Covid isn't just one disease, and immunity is a moving target. If you got the original variant back in February 2020, that may or may not protect you from a new variant with new mechanisms for evading/suppressing immune response.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by jlokier »

ekianjo wrote: post #111
electrondood wrote: post #50

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mRNA is short-lived, metabolized, etc. That's exactly how Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work. > Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them. [0] You seem to be arguing against the principle of vaccination in general. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccine…

mRNA are short-lived but the modified spike-specific T cells T-cells they create are not.

But that's just ordinary, natural human immunity. Your body naturally produces "thing-specific T-cells" for a large number of "not self" things it has encountered throughout your life, to defend you from them.

It's part of how your body's automatic anti-virus system works. It has a very clever system, where some cells learn to recognise foreign proteins.

There is no spike protein actually in these T cells. They are just trained to recognise spike protein, waiting to mobilise quickly to pretect you from it if it's detected in future.

Why would you not want that?

Do you have some evidence that your spike-specific T cells themselves cause harm, in a way that your other thing-specific T cells do not? (It's not impossible, but seems unlikely.)

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