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Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

We also have data showing that there are negative long-term effects from getting the full-blown COVID vaccine. [0] The range of negative outcomes for just about any medical procedure range from none to death, so this should not be surprising.

One really cannot, and should not, use this kind of reasoning for what should be a private, personal matter.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/ (Note the "I am not anti-vaccination" qualifiers in most submissions.)

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by Majromax »

captainredbeard wrote: post #21
anthomtb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the arguments against accepting an mRNA shot read as “too new, do not want” to me. What are the specific long-term side effects that one should be aware of when accepting an mRNA shot?

It’s more the effects of free circulating spike protein in the bloodstream than mRNA triggering ribosomes.

> It’s more the effects of free circulating spike protein in the bloodstream than mRNA triggering ribosomes.

The mRNA vaccines are designed to express the spike protein in a membrane-bound form; very little is found floating free. See https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/spike-protein-circula....

Additionally, the mRNA vaccines express a modified spike protein that is stabilized in its "prefusion" state (as seen on the virus itself before it binds with a cell), and the resulting complex seems to have somewhat fewer effects even when it does interact with a cell.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by dukeofdoom »

ch4s3 wrote: post #67
dukeofdoom wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

> until more is known about long term effects I'm curious about this line of reasoning. We've been testing mRNA treatments for other diseases for about 25 years now. The approach was abandoned for gene therapy because the effects weren't long lasting. We have follow up data on people who participated in those studies, and to my knowledge there aren't any documented negative long term effects. We know what the vaccine…

Not caution. Willingness to accept death should it come. I'm part of the natural world, and viruses are a natural way that keep population in balance. All these vaccines are keeping more kindling for a bigger fire down humanity's timeline. I would probably reconsider if the odds where much worse than 1%.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

bavent wrote: post #20
namelessone wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and I won't bother linking to resources related to Ivermectin I'm not informed enough to comment on the content of your post, but this is a horrible way to start a productive discussion.

They aren’t trying to start a productive discussion. Anti-vaxxers don’t approach debates in good faith. They tend to drop long-winded comments that vaguely link together different conspiracies and anecdotal bits of “evidence” but then never cite sources and never back up their claims when pushed.

> Anti-vaxxers don’t approach debates in good faith.

Neither do people who make blanket pronouncements about an entire broad demographic of people, after labeling them with loaded & vindictive terminology.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by graeme »

pepperberg wrote: post #75
TaupeRanger wrote: post #54

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The video you linked is removed.for violating guidelines, which I'm guessing means it had a conspiratorial slant. Discussion does not have to include unsupported or crackpot claims to be "inclusive".

Instead of looking up the original video (e.g. by using the watch id), you immediately write it off as "crackpot claims" because some unknown authority at YouTube removed it, citing broad community guidelines. Maybe we should stick to your words from 4 days ago: "Science reporting is terrible and the general education system doesn't teach rational skepticism, it teaches unconditional trust of intellectual authority."…

In my experience on forums, when someone makes a grand contrarian claim (“vaccines are risky”) and then cites a video without explaining why it is relevant or summing it up, the claims indeed have extremely high odds of being crackpot claims.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by dukeofdoom »

MAGZine wrote: post #70
dukeofdoom wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

There ultimate treatment has arrived in the form of prevention. The urgency to develop covid specific therapeutics has dissipated for the same reason "your chance of getting it is lower." Though even that is highly dependent on where you live, who you interact with, if you travel, etc. Lots of vaccine skeptics tend to share views and group, which makes conditions ripe for mini-outbreaks. "Other people got the vaccine…

With more information coming out, and now a significant probability that the Virus was created in the lab. I am not culpable for saving humanity from the actions of rouge governments. Blame them, not me.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by causality0 »

torben-friis wrote: post #78
causality0 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I had complete loss of smell and taste, which came back about 90% over the next six weeks. It was fine for a month and then it went wonky. Probably 30% of my "scent spectrum" has now been replaced with the same burnt meat smell/taste. Everything from chocolate to feces to hamburgers now has the same core odor. It really, really sucks.

Don't lose hope. I got in October, similar effects, and I've been recovering a lot of my smell and taste, veery slowly and in "bursts". Nowadays I'm almost fully ok, the only smells I haven't recovered are body odor (which I can smell, it's just really different) and feces and trash, which for some reason smell in a very particular sweet way, kinda like rotten meat. That last one, for some reason, seems to be really…

Yeah, the first time I recovered my smell feces took the longest to come back. Since I already recovered and didn't catch covid again, I can't help but think my current problem arises from some kind of incorrect healing. Like a nerve pathway is connecting to the wrong thing somehow.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by SkyMarshal »

dboreham wrote: post #62
causality0 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I had complete loss of smell and taste, which came back about 90% over the next six weeks. It was fine for a month and then it went wonky. Probably 30% of my "scent spectrum" has now been replaced with the same burnt meat smell/taste. Everything from chocolate to feces to hamburgers now has the same core odor. It really, really sucks.

My cousin (20s) lost his sense of taste and hasn't recovered it months later. Son (teen) lost his for a week then recovered it. Reports however that he has pernanently lost his sense of thurst. Ymmv.

> Reports however that he has pernanently lost his sense of thurst.

Wow that is weird, hadn’t heard of that one yet, and seems kind of dangerous. Is he taking extra precautions to stay hydrated?

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by [deleted] »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #71
b0sk wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. That's because the herd around you has been vaccinated. So you are OK with others getting vaccinated for your benefit but wouldn't do your part to benefit the herd. Awesome! Maybe your post is parody. Can't really tell.

I never asked the herd to do anything, thus I am not in any way obliged to them morally. They did it for their own protection. I was willing to accept the 1% of dying, even if no one was vaccinated.

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Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by krona »

ch4s3 wrote: post #67
dukeofdoom wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

> until more is known about long term effects I'm curious about this line of reasoning. We've been testing mRNA treatments for other diseases for about 25 years now. The approach was abandoned for gene therapy because the effects weren't long lasting. We have follow up data on people who participated in those studies, and to my knowledge there aren't any documented negative long term effects. We know what the vaccine…

The other ingredients in the vaccine aren't anything special.

Polyethylene glycol, for one, has never been used before in an approved vaccine. It is thought to be the cause of some rare anaphylactic reactions.

There are dozens of other compounds in the Pfizer vaccine; the reason for them being there and their effects are, for the most part, a trade secret.

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