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Hire-to-fire at Amazon India?

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What does Amazon need thousands of engineers for, exactly? Amazon.com is a fine website. It is finished. It is complete , perfect as it is. The website could remain the exact same for the next ten decades, with minor adjustments to the product menus to reflect new products, and it would serve its purpose perfectly without risking being dethroned by competitors. Why do millions of lines of code need to be written each…

> and its concurrent AWS, which could be run by less than 50 engineers

One engineer for every four offerings.

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“ If you're someone who likes your 7 hours of sleep a day, stay away.” how do people function long-term with so little sleep? I need at least 9 hours to not be a useless husk the next day.

I do 7 but 7.5 is my sweet spot. I pose the opposite: How do so many on this site need so much sleep?

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What does Amazon need thousands of engineers for, exactly? Amazon.com is a fine website. It is finished. It is complete , perfect as it is. The website could remain the exact same for the next ten decades, with minor adjustments to the product menus to reflect new products, and it would serve its purpose perfectly without risking being dethroned by competitors. Why do millions of lines of code need to be written each…

>AWS, which could be run by less than 50 engineers)? What the... > (Not a software engineer Ah, yes. It shows. 50 engineers is probably less than the size of some support teams within Amazon that handle a single large corporate AWS customer.

This is a peak HN comment (the one you are replying to)! The other day on the Wikipedia thread, there was a data scientist who said he could run a website like Wikipedia all by himself. "How hard it is?". And here we have the same thing for Amazon..

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What does Amazon need thousands of engineers for, exactly? Amazon.com is a fine website. It is finished. It is complete , perfect as it is. The website could remain the exact same for the next ten decades, with minor adjustments to the product menus to reflect new products, and it would serve its purpose perfectly without risking being dethroned by competitors. Why do millions of lines of code need to be written each…

Heavily-utilized websites are like icebergs. You see the homepage, but what about the constant ongoing work to ensure sellers don't game your review system? What about emergent product categories? What about integration with your competitor's new smart home device? Amazon doesn't pay most of its engineers to sit around.

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What does Amazon need thousands of engineers for, exactly? Amazon.com is a fine website. It is finished. It is complete , perfect as it is. The website could remain the exact same for the next ten decades, with minor adjustments to the product menus to reflect new products, and it would serve its purpose perfectly without risking being dethroned by competitors. Why do millions of lines of code need to be written each…

Too many assumptions here.

You need to consider the number of the tech products and the number of markets.

The resulting number would be vast.

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“ If you're someone who likes your 7 hours of sleep a day, stay away.” how do people function long-term with so little sleep? I need at least 9 hours to not be a useless husk the next day.

I started today with 4.5 hours of sleep and I’ll do just great with that. Once a week my body grabs 10-14 hours in a single night to “catch up”.

Why are you downvoting this? I also know people like this, however I personally need at least 7-8.

The last weeks I have practised to not focus too much on if Ive had a sleep deprived night and that helps and works for a few days.

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What does Amazon need thousands of engineers for, exactly? Amazon.com is a fine website. It is finished. It is complete , perfect as it is. The website could remain the exact same for the next ten decades, with minor adjustments to the product menus to reflect new products, and it would serve its purpose perfectly without risking being dethroned by competitors. Why do millions of lines of code need to be written each…

>AWS, which could be run by less than 50 engineers)? What the... > (Not a software engineer Ah, yes. It shows. 50 engineers is probably less than the size of some support teams within Amazon that handle a single large corporate AWS customer.

Listen if you can't run 33% of the internet with 50 engineers what are you even doing?

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What does Amazon need thousands of engineers for, exactly? Amazon.com is a fine website. It is finished. It is complete , perfect as it is. The website could remain the exact same for the next ten decades, with minor adjustments to the product menus to reflect new products, and it would serve its purpose perfectly without risking being dethroned by competitors. Why do millions of lines of code need to be written each…

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Re: Hire-to-fire at Amazon India?

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What does Amazon need thousands of engineers for, exactly? Amazon.com is a fine website. It is finished. It is complete , perfect as it is. The website could remain the exact same for the next ten decades, with minor adjustments to the product menus to reflect new products, and it would serve its purpose perfectly without risking being dethroned by competitors. Why do millions of lines of code need to be written each…

Consider this metaphor:

You go on vacation. You stay at a hotel, not a “B&B.” Your vacation, your money, so you find a place close to the things you want to see, with plenty of free amenities like free continental breakfast and free WiFi.

It’s somewhat reasonably priced, too.

Now you go on a business trip financed by your employer, who books you into a “business class” hotel. It’s also close to things you want to see, and it has a few nicer finishes than your vacation hotel.

But the service is worse! You have to order WiFi, and they have some annoying provider that puts roadblocks between you and their slow WiFi. There’s free coffee in the room, but if you want breakfast, you pay nosebleed prices for room service or you have to line up for a table in their brunch restaurant.

And their “rack rate” for rooms is double what you paid on vacation! How could your employer be so stupid as to book you into this expensive hotel and force you to suffer worse service?

Makes no sense. Ok, what’s the connection?

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Well, WHY does your employer prefer the expensive place with bad service? The answer is that it provides good service for your employer, but not for you. YOU AREN’T THEIR CUSTOMER.

The business-class hotel integrates with your employer’s billing and expense systems. Your company can easily book dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of rooms when they’re putting on a conference. They have incentive pricing that appeals to companies, not people.

They have GREAT customer service when you’re calling about a billing code, but not when you’re calling about an extra pot of hot water for your tea.

We don’t see that as guests of the hotel. So if we were to discover that the big hotel chain has hundreds or even thousands of programmers, we’d ask, “What do they need so many engineers for? All they have is a crappy web site that can take a reservation, in a crappy way.”

We don’t see the people putting in the work to integrate with systems we can’t see, serving the needs of people and companies we don’t even know exist.

I betcha it’s the same at Amazon. We can’t judge the complexity of their operations looking at the page they serve us when we buy a book online. We have no idea what’s involved integrating with the corporations that provide them with music, TV shows, and movies to stream.

We have no idea how complicated it is to integrate with all the logistics systems around shipping products around the world, in real time.

There’s a massive machine we can’t see. That’s what all those programmers are building and maintaining.

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