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Can you please not post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? If you have substantive information to share, please share it thoughtfully. If you post like you're doing in this thread, it's just pouring fuel on the flames, and no one learns anything from that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Moreover, you discredit your own view by posting like this, which isn't in your interest—and if your v…
A world-famous scientific authority (and co-author of the paper in question) being banned from Twitter because her professional opinion doesn't match the allowed narrative? With 3.8 million dead (and counting) How is this not substantive and relevant to the discussion?
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
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Here's a good overview of why posts disappear: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/why-has-ivermectin-become-a-di...
I would like this translated into normal English. This is the basis of the argument of why posts disappear from the article, and I don't understand what the author is trying to say at all: > One of the challenges of the pandemic period is the degree to which science has become intertwined with politics. Arguments about the efficacy of mask use or ventilators, or the viability of repurposed drugs like hydroxychloroqui…
Refer also to the Solomon Asch conformity experiment which occurred during a previous episode of cancel culture called "McCarthyism".
There are other theories. Some people have supposed that the motivations have to do with the money that big pharma would lose if they couldn't sell their vaccines because a safe and effective alternative was already available and proven, and therefore the conditions of the emergency use authorizations for the vaccines would become void. But nobody has any smoking gun evidence here that I'm aware of, it's just a plausible motivation.
Some people might believe so strongly that vaccines are the only possible savior of humanity that anything which detracts from the success of the vaccine campaign will be devastating, and so they do what they can to shut it down. Bret argues this is illogical if Ivermectin works because all forms of immunity work together to build herd immunity. But logic is unfortunately lost on far too many people.
More far fetched ideas include influence campaigns from foreign powers who aim to see America defeated. If they can influence the right people in the right way at the right time, they might be able to prolong the pandemic in America.
I'm sure there are even more hypotheses as to why such censorship is being attempted.
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#533I am an MD, Data Scientist and epidemiologist. There are three pieces of information which makes me feel something fishy about the study: 1. Sample sizes for all selected studies are very small, and even though they used mixed effects models to treat confounding, there is no way to check what the authors did, since they didn’t shared the code or the data, which is inadmissible since this is a meta analysis and there…
What are the practices and technologies that showed undeniable success in the real world.
What is the "real world"?
Does anyone have to take your scientific credentials seriously when you make a "scientific" argument using the term "the real world"?
Is there some "alternate unreal world" where these trials were carried out?
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> All of your recent comments are anti-vax and covid conspiracy propaganda. Please read this site terms of use. Post only substantive comments that contribute to discussion and avoid name-calling, and shallow dismissals.
I have read them, and my comment was substantive. A person’s bias is important to call out, as was pointing out the obvious lie that was implying the vaccines aren’t low risk.
If the brand new vaccines using a brand new technology are low risk, is really a matter of opinion. Basically it comes down to how much you trust the authorities and the how much you consider any given research or studies to be unbiased. (Particularly when the full data for the said studies remain unpublished)
You can plainly see that both of these are variable between different people, even within similar schools of thoughts.
So because someone does not share your opinion does not make them a liar.
If that is the case any one saying the new vaccines are "safe and effective", should also be an obvious lie, because the long term safety studies are not done, which objectively makes it a lie.
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#535N=1. Me and my 2 year old had covid. My wife started ivermectin and never got sick. Shared bed and sick 2 year old wants mommy. Ivermectin didn't work for me (diarrhea) but my fever went from 102.7 down to 99 12 hours after HQC after 6 days of a slow downward spiral (fever kept going up and up every day). So for me, my take is the drugs absolutely worked.
There is a real person here.
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Exactly. Just because someone doesn't dose something correctly, doesn't mean there is necessarily anything wrong with it. Shall we ban water? Sometimes people don't dose that correctly either, and drown. What a dangerous substance!
Your absurdist attempts aside, the important thing to consider with a prophylactic medication is the therapeutic index. Let’s take vaccines. Covid itself has a risk of harm of around 1:100 for older age groups of requiring hospitalisation. Risk of harm for vaccines is established at around 1:200,000. Ivermectin? There is no good data on the therapeutic index however it is a toxic substance with a low therapeutic inde…
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview...
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These were super low quality posts, as well as being obviously baity: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562666 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562722 Please stop posting like that. It's not hard, and doesn't need complex argumentation.
On the other hand, many of my hot takes over the years have been celebrated , but it seems to happen when they are long and dense (and not personal attacks). Perhaps it is because fewer people read/flag them. Perhaps it is because this community values eloquence (or effort) over substance. Add to that the built-in handicap because this community (like every other) values in-group opinions much more than out-group opi…
This is very true. But I don't think it is a problem with technology.
It is just that you cannot really have a valuable insight by putting a 10000 idiots in a room and have them argue it out. In other words, you cannot replace one intelligent man with a 10000 idiots, hence the failure of HN and similar forums.
These things are only good for sharing interesting things, so the best way to use is to just use posted links, and never to engage in discussion.
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Most regions that use ivermectin have significantly less deaths. Example: https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/1334228581870931968
To me, this kind of regional comparison, contrasting before and after Ivermectin was deployed as a treatment, has been the most convincing evidence that Ivermectin is an effective treatment. This paper by Pierre Kory has graphs that clearly show the evolution of Covid cases and deaths across different states in Peru. https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/F...
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Bret implied he got it from a potentially dodgy source. He was also pointing out "risks" with the vaccine. Even in comments you had people saying they were going to avoid the vaccine and take this drug instead.
> He was also pointing out "risks" with the vaccine. Whoa whoa whoa. 1 year old mRNA vaccine's risks don't come with scare quotes. He often talks about the lack of long term data. mRNA covid vaccines might have been exceptionally safe so far, yet intellectual honesty demands we admit that indeed we don't have the long term data yet. Implying there would absolutely be no such risk is a fundamentalistic position itself…
Pretty much all risks are identified within a short period, it's very rare for there to be long term risks.So yes there may be some theoretical long term risk, but it's soo small that it is misleading to talk about it as a serious risk. Expecially compared to the real and known dangers of Ivermectin and covid.
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#540I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…
You're commenting on a metaanalysis that summarizes 15 published trials, aren't you? Maybe you should spend less time on YouTube inspired guessing. Social media isn't relevant here. YouTube is not the center of the Galaxy. Medical doctors don't make their decisions based on YouTube videos -- at least I hope so. Edit: sorry for the wrong position in the thread. Should have gone to the parent post.
The worrying split here is on HN I get to read 15-study meta-analysis posted by Steph C, int13 Labs CEO.
On YouTube, a PHD holder in a medical field discussing the same 15 study meta-anlysis might expect to have their video pulled.
It is quite worrying that the powers-that-be at YouTube are taking this radically anti-speech approach. It isn't like studies posted on HN are automatically good and on YouTube automatically bad. The YouTubers are probably more qualified to bring attention to studies.