As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen • Hacker News Board

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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Post by blindmute » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 2:52 PM UTC

ttfkam wrote: post #820

blindmute wrote: post #818

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I made an account just to respond to this, for that guy. It will be easiest if I just post the original pieces which gathered such information, but you can follow the links within them yourself. NPR, Washington Post, NY Times, CNN, etc etc "independently confirmed" that Trump had protestors gassed to stage a photo op [1], that the officer in DC was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher [2], that Russia placed boun…

You'll notice your one source is Glenn Greenwald. One. Be a shame if his account of the tear gassing in front of the church were backed up by the pastor of said church. Except the pastor (who was also hit with the tear gas) backs up the accounts of the protestors. Protestors who were still out because the curfew had not begun yet. Details. Details. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-... This…

Greenwald is not a source, his posts are just an aggregate of sources. Washington Post, which you did list, is implicated in 2 or 3 of the three I posted.

I don't expect outlets to never make mistakes, but I do expect that a dozen outlets don't all independently confirm the same lie. That's not journalism, it's coordinated propaganda. And because the retraction come quietly or not at all, you'll never know if what you read was real or fake at any given moment. For that reason none of them can be trusted.

In regards to your paragraph about the tear gassing, it's quite clear you did not read the articles I posted. They were in fact gassed, but it had nothing to do with Trump or his photo op; that is the lie.

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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Post by lolinder » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 3:20 AM UTC

Retric wrote: post #570

lolinder wrote: post #371

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It doesn't completely change the meaning, it drops a subset of the meaning. Eschatology encompasses both types of ends. The OP seemed under the impression it only involved the end of the universe/world.

AND is not OR, but I understand your confusion.

You're assuming that the author was writing with mathematical precision. Dictionaries rarely are.

Here's an alternative definition from Merriam Webster:

> a belief concerning death, the end of the world, or the ultimate destiny of humankind

Re: As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen

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Post by CRConrad » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 11:15 AM UTC

icelancer wrote: post #59

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #43

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From the 1880s to 2000 this may have been the case, but I don't think it is anymore. Any country with public health insurance that is decent is more attractive than the US. People are not blind, they see Americans dying of diabetes because they can't afford insulin that they attempted to crowdfund. [1] The US has evolved into a modern dystopia under the first-past-the-post system and cloture in the senate. I think th…

>> Any country with public health insurance that is decent is more attractive than the US. Depending on what you want to do with your life, this is mostly true. But immigration laws to countries with these kinds of welfare structures tend to be much tighter than ones without for reasons that are obvious.

"Tend to", perhaps, but it's not universal, in that there are huge gaping loopholes in some places.