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Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
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Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
We already have a drug that's 99% effective at keeping you out out hospital. And it's only a single/double dose. It's the COVID vaccine. Any other treatment is basically unnecessary at this point because COVID deaths in vaccinated people are less than 1 in a million. That's why anti-vaxxers are so vested in other treatments. It's the only way they can rationalize not getting vaccinated
Well the covid vaccine comes with some caveats to me most crippling to freedoms being the vaccine passports that seemingly all nations are already implementing. Having various viable treatments would obviously put an end to that. Since ivermectin has a long history of safety and already largely available its reasonable that interest is strong.
Create the problem, bring an unecessary solution nobody would have accepted otherwise. Step 3, profit !
Vaccines and covid are going to come back every year for sure.
Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
We already have a drug that's 99% effective at keeping you out out hospital. And it's only a single/double dose. It's the COVID vaccine. Any other treatment is basically unnecessary at this point because COVID deaths in vaccinated people are less than 1 in a million. That's why anti-vaxxers are so vested in other treatments. It's the only way they can rationalize not getting vaccinated
Nope, that is not the only way. You have side effects. And you have the fact that the vaccine is still in test phase. What are the long term side effects, we don't know. And unless they are obvious we will never know, because vaccine are like a religion too many. You don't question a religion.
You're indirectly admitting that I'm right. The anti vaccine crowd is desperate for a non vaccine cure, because the vaccine is so incredibly effective their beliefs fall apart otherwise
Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If someone died because of a "Take Ivermectin and you'll survive COVID" video on YouTube, who's to blame? Ivermectin is a prescription drug in the United States. A doctor would most likely reject the request if a patient asked for it solely on a YouTube recommendation. So to answer your question, a prescribing doctor. IMO YouTube isn't medically qualified to censor ongoing research or debate, just stick a disclaime…
You can (or could until recently?) get topical ivermectin from pet stores, no prescription. Humans use it to self-diagnose and self-treat rosacea. So there is the risk that people will buy and ingest it.
That risk is not reduced by suppression.
Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly - the problem isn't the consideration of a lab leak as a possible source, it's the presentation of that theory embellished well beyond what's plausible without any evidence - and then suggesting it's not just a far out there possibility, but actually the most likely source. And all that when it was a convenient diversionary tactic - looking for a scapegoat. Let's not forget that not only is the lab leak theor…
Exactly. Let's also not forget that for this virus to have escaped, there would have had to have been incredibly lax safety procedures. That doesn't mean that wasn't the case, just that we would have had trained researchers and technicians working with viruses similar to other viruses that have jumped species and caused serious disease under the equivalent of BSL-1 ( i.e. no precautions). BSL-2 is required for proced…
Biosecurity incidents are common, there were about 17 in the last decade [0]. Just SARS-CoV-1 leaked from the lab 4 times [1].
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity...
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndr...
Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#386I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…
Without randomized trials you cannot recommend a drug because you cannot exclude confounders. It seems wrong to me to even speak of "overwhelming evidence" without a randomized trial or other sound ways to control or identify for confounders (e.g. causal models).
Does that mean that the covid vaccines shouldn't be recommended as there's no randomized trials on their long-term effects? Just curious as I'm not well versed on this topic.
Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#387I Googled Ivermectin meta-analysis. But instead of finding the article we're discussing now, I found a different meta-analysis. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.21.21257595v... It concluded Ivermectin "did not reduce all-cause mortality, length of stay or viral clearance in RCTs in COVID-19 patients with mostly mild disease. IVM did not have effect on AEs or SAEs. IVM is not a viable option to treat CO…
The issue I've seen with various studies who claim statistically insignificance when using Ivermectin is because they use too low of a dose and/or don't use it long enough (3 to 5 days instead of 14 days) and/or they don't start using it at first symptoms (in part I've read this can be because can take days for COVID positive tested person to enrol in a study hence giving the virus more time to replicate/take strong hold).
Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is and it is weird. What do these people (the promoters) get out of it? Attention? A more dedicated following?
I think the most useful lens to understand the sociology of these kinds of questions is religious belief. And there is no shortage of people out there who want to convince others of their belief. The narrative for "the Ivermectin story" is particularly compelling, as it involves brave maverick doctors working selflessly to get the word out, suppression and censorship by shadowy organizations (big pharma fearing compe…
Religious belief. Exactly. And what are your religious beliefs ? Are you sure you have none ? Is there something or someone you would never doubt ?
Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the wrong side to look at this from. These are just people on the fringe with little influence and funding. If ivermectin was authorized as a viable treatment the vaccines receiving emergency use authorisation wouldn't have been possible. There were and still are billions on the line.
I'm having difficulty understanding this line of reasoning. What does the authorization of ivermectin have to do with the vaccines? Xofluza, Relenza, and Tamiflu have been approved for treating influenza, and that has had no effect on the recommendation that people get their flu shots.
It's the way that emergency authorisation use works with FDA. They won't issue that if there are other safe viable treatments. These vaccines got that approval because these other options were suppressed.
Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection
#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, it has been explored, trialed, and experimented with quite significantly. The results show that there might be something there, but it’s not a miracle cure. The conspiracy angles are coming from those who have been misled into thinking it has been more successful than it really has been, which leads to confusion about why it’s not being used everywhere.
> The conspiracy angles are coming from those who have been misled into thinking it has been more successful than it really has been, which leads to confusion about why it’s not being used everywhere. No, the "conspiracy angles" are coming from people who have seen youtube videos and HN posts disappearing just for discussing it.
Well a lot of people with biochem background also have a lot of skepticism about it too.
Ivermectin works by interrupting nerve function of helminths(parasites). covid is a virus, not a multicellular organism with nerves.
I'm not saying ivermectin is useless, but why it would work for covid doesn't make sense (yet at least). Maybe it has some other mechanism to slow down covid that isn't fully understood.