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Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by ds206 »

weaksauce wrote: post #340
adrianmonk wrote: post #168

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Also, I simply wouldn't assume the FDA considers a treatment (this drug) an alternative to something that prevents the disease (vaccines). They both are used for the same disease but in different ways. They are only alternatives in a very broad sense.

yeah agreed. literally the only people I've seen push this kind of nonsense are antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists. I don't understand why they need it to be true so badly; doesn't pass any of the sniff tests under even a little scrutiny. Even if it fit all those criteria for being an alternative it's not like it's some kind of thing that couldn't be amended if they really needed/wanted to. saddens me how reactiona…

"literally the only people I've seen push this kind of nonsense are antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists."

Literally? Everyone? LOL this is why there are so many normal people in this thread saying "at least let's have a discussion!"

Your sentiment is the reason (imo) that these discussions are so hard to have, no offense.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by Heyso »

unparagoned wrote: post #306
newsclues wrote: post #255

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Who is to blame when YouTube censors life saving recommendations and people needlessly die?

No-one. Since doctors don't go to YouTube to find out what to do. Until there is solid evidence for a drug noone should be going to YouTube to decide what to do, expecially when we have many proven low risks vaccines.

So much low risk, that pharmaceutical compagny made sure to have no liability if something bad happen.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by rbanffy »

unparagoned wrote: post #313
ds206 wrote: post #199

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But drug commercials on TV are? I mean, why can't a doctor talk about the benefits of a certain drug with a "but talk to your own doctor first"? How is that any different?

Drug commercials are bad, and banned in pretty much every developed country. Anyway those drugs have been proven to work, this drug hasn't been proven to work.

This is something that really shocks and annoys me when I visit the US. Ad-sponsored TV is unusable.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by jacquesm »

apineda wrote: post #299
boredprograming wrote: post #235

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We already have a drug that's 99% effective at keeping you out out hospital. And it's only a single/double dose. It's the COVID vaccine. Any other treatment is basically unnecessary at this point because COVID deaths in vaccinated people are less than 1 in a million. That's why anti-vaxxers are so vested in other treatments. It's the only way they can rationalize not getting vaccinated

Well the covid vaccine comes with some caveats to me most crippling to freedoms being the vaccine passports that seemingly all nations are already implementing. Having various viable treatments would obviously put an end to that. Since ivermectin has a long history of safety and already largely available its reasonable that interest is strong.

But not for this particular application, and not in the doses where apparently it has some effect on COVID. And that is the problem with promoting this, as long as you weren't aware of that you probably should not be part of the army of 'useful idiots' of the anti-vax crowd.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by joe_the_user »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #11
99_00 wrote: post #4

Talking about this study on Youtube is forbidden according to their TOS. "Don’t post content on YouTube if it includes any of the following: Treatment misinformation: Content that recommends use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 Claims that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine are effective treatments for COVID-19" https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785?hl=en

I find this extremely worrying, to be honest. They are legal and widely used drugs in most countries. They might not be miracle drugs to treat COVID-19, but I don't see the point in this ban.

Unproven medical treatments are a kind of speech that the US government has aggressively suppressed with the approval of the courts for many years. That situation was abused to suppress the works of Wilhelm Reich (~70 years ago) but I don't see that kind of abuse here. Youtube isn't subject to the first amendment 'cause it's not the government BUT also the first amendment hasn't protected this kind of expression for a long time. Just sayin'.

Edit: and as other said, that the drug is legal is irrelevant and disingenuous. We're talking a new treatment system.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by jacquesm »

Ivdg3 wrote: post #318
bsder wrote: post #274

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Because ivermectin is conspiracy theory land. If you don't have a proven, understood mechanism (which ivermectin doesn't for a virus like Covid) then you have to rely on trials, and those just don't stand up. Quoting Derek Lowe on this: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/06/07/iv... > If you haven’t had to mess with drug discovery for a living, it’s understandable that you hear that Some Person Somew…

The creator of mRNA vaccines disagrees with you: > What happens to confidence in public health and USG if ivermectin turns out to be safe and effective for COVID, and the genetic vaccines turn out to have signficant safety issues? This looks like a very plausible scenario from where I sit. https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1403836354098872322

Mr. Malone is a very eminent scientist who has one serious problem in this particular case: he really doesn't like big pharma earning billions over what he considers to be his invention.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by jacquesm »

epicureanideal wrote: post #177
sveiss wrote: post #142

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> You can't get EUA for the vaccines if there's a working treatment. Veklury (remdesivir) was approved by the FDA for the treatment of Covid-19 in hospitalized individuals on October 22, 2020. This was a full approval, not an emergency use application: https://www.fda.gov/media/137574/download We've continued using the vaccines under the existing EUAs even after a treatment was approved. The FDA has granted additiona…

This is exactly why instead of censoring podcasts like Bret Weinstein when he brings on guests to discuss ivermectin, other experts should engage in debate with him. When people who are credible scientists (like many of his guests) get censored it can reasonably look suspicious. I'm not saying he's correct, I'm just saying the right answer is debate. A person who is willing to have a calm, 3 hour discussion on a topi…

No, the other experts are at work, and don't have time to debate every person out there who has a following. This pandemic is not yet over and guys like Weinstein are all noise and no signal. Keep enough Weinsteins engaged and progress on this front (real progress, not imaginary progress) will grind to a halt.

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Post by tonfa »

birken wrote: post #100
desine wrote: post #56

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You can't get EUA for the vaccines if there's a working treatment. The doctor who promoted Hydroxychloroquine and zinc treatment, Dr. Zelenko, is still banned from Twitter for spreading COVID disinformation. There's both actual conspiracies in this world, and well poisoning to damage the conversations. When you look at the amount of money these companies stand to make from producing billions of vaccinations, you shou…

Pfizer, a company that has contributed probably trillions of dollars to global GDP over the past 6 months, is massively underperforming the stock market when you compare pre-pandemic to now [1]. The stock price in theory should price in all the future cash flows from the vaccine. What is your basis that the pharma companies are making tons of money on these vaccines? It isn't like the vaccines are pure profit. The ph…

Isn't Pfizer mostly handling manufacturing and distribution for biontech?

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by xikrib »

coliveira wrote: post #329

If Ivermectin saved anyone, Brazil wouldn't be hotbed for COVID that it is right now. Doctors are prescribing Ivermectin to pretty much anyone who arrives with any signs that appear to be COVID-related. Some people are even taking it by themselves as a form of "prevention". It has not worked as the numbers clearly show.

It's a treatment, not a cure

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by dang »

lvs wrote: post #334
dang wrote: post #45

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You've posted something like 9 unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments in this thread. That has a seriously damaging effect on discussion, especially when the topic is divisive as this one is. I'm sure you don't intend that, but the effects work that way regardless of intent: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... . If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.ht…

I'm disappointed you are not more active in pulling these snake oil posts from the front page.

I've addressed that here and here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27563873

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27564376

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