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Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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Re: Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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Did you read the article? Yes, selective admissions filter out “bad” students including the type of students who don’t care about school who hold back students who do care; the problems of the article are virtually nonexistent at Lowell. I don’t think Lowell was particularly selective (I think something like 50% of applicants get in) and there were plenty of poor students (including myself) who benefited from an acad…

> Did you read the article? Yes, selective admissions filter out “bad” students including the type of students who don’t care about school who hold back students who do care What do we do about these 10 year olds? We assume they are not "high school" material and we put them in the school for dumb kids? Do these 10 year old not care about school because there is something intrinsically wrong about them and so the sch…

> Do these 10 year old not care about school because there is something intrinsically wrong about them

Each child, like each adult, has different motivations in life. Not all children are equally motivated for schoolwork.

> The admission test is not racist per se, but if it results in, say, blacks not being admitted to an institution, it exist in a framework that materially enables racism

No. You need to look at confounding variables, not just race. It could be that a large percentage of black children in this area come from poor families and must therefore work part-time jobs after school instead of studying. That’s just one example of many possibilities. “Correcting” the problem by putting these children into this special school does nothing to change their poverty: they still must work after school and can’t study. And that means they can’t keep up with the other children in this privileged school. Your solution is probably to make the schoolwork easier and force everyone to suffer the same fate. My solution is to give that family money so their high school kid doesn’t have to work to help support his family.

In reality, your solution is the one that gets chosen because of the wokeness movement.

Re: Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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I thought AP classes and a level of general competitiveness stopped stuff like this?

Even if the in person classes are easy to pass, the AP scores should be consistent with the rest of the country and should make identifying the relative difficulty between schools pretty easy? ACT and SAT should also make grade inflated school very easily to spot.

I think California has a rule requiring that at least X% of their students are from California right? Has that shifted the balance at CA to accepting lower quality students from their own state?

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I am baffled why they are doing a recall? According to the site, the main reason states because their kids have not gone back to school. To me, that's not a good enough reason for a recall (recalls cost money). Public schools are under state and county health guidance.

The board could have opened schools months ago, but chose not to. The board opened some schools for a single day at the end of the school year, just to qualify for state funding to pay teachers. The board spent time (whilst schools were closed) deciding how to rename schools, something which has zero impact on educational outcomes. The board has a member who made racist remarks on Twitter and, despite not losing her…

The teachers were worried about Covid.

Kids weren't vaccinated.

Re: Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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Because standards would hinder "equity" in educational outcomes. The SF Board of Education recently voted to end selective admissions for Lowell High School in favour of a lottery, citing lack of diversity and "pervasive systemic racism". The board positions are elected so these sorts of policies are presumably what the people of San Francisco want.

I don't know anything about this particular Lowell High School, but selective admissions at the high school level achieve excellency by filtering out "bad" students, which are usually students from disadvantaged backgrounds. If a public school is of very high quality, selecting 10 year olds at random is not much less fair than choosing them based on their grades or extracurricular activities or an essay. Unless we as…

If we do not take advantage of the more capable students because of equity, what will the future be without people who can do the sorts of things that require highly capable individuals?

No iphones, electric cars, or covid vaccines, for example.

Even the communists realized that when you've got smart students, take advantage and educate them as best you can.

The third reich idiotically drove out their best scientists, who wound up enthusiastically working for the Allies developing the technology that defeated the reich.

Re: Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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School's so stupid. If you give people a grade and tell them to maximize it, with no meaningful rewards that they can understand, they're going to cheat. Duh. I regret not cheating in school, what a waste of time all of that shit was.

The teacher is basically like "haha dumb kids, we know you're cheating" and "if only we could punish students more!". There's a lot of "the smart kids are suffering because of the dumb kids" attitude here that I find disgusting.

> That too was in keeping with a theme. The teacher email I mentioned above was from one of the conference threads, but the emails sent to me personally from counselors and administrators have overwhelmingly broken down along these lines: such-and-such a student is feeling stressed, so please excuse her from this set of assignments. This other student gets nervous about taking tests or giving presentations or working in groups, so please excuse him from work of those types.

Oh god, how awful that these students won't get to suffer through some idiot's assignment that I'm sure would greatly better their life.

There's a lot wrong with school but I feel like this teacher doesn't realize that they're a part of that.

> Wow, a 100% pass rate! What a successful school!

Yes, it's cheating. They have an incentive, as your students do, to 'pass', and so they cheat.

Give students a place to be during the day while their parents work. Give them real, meaningful incentives that matter to young people - money, freedom, social structure, a feeling of productivity - and align those with learning real, practical skills, like how to read, write, analyze context, etc.

Hire non-idiots, pay them more, reduce class sizes. Yeah it'll cost more, but the obvious economic benefits will offset that. I can count on one hand how many teachers I had that I respected - the rest were obvious failures.

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I don't know anything about this particular Lowell High School, but selective admissions at the high school level achieve excellency by filtering out "bad" students, which are usually students from disadvantaged backgrounds. If a public school is of very high quality, selecting 10 year olds at random is not much less fair than choosing them based on their grades or extracurricular activities or an essay. Unless we as…

If we do not take advantage of the more capable students because of equity, what will the future be without people who can do the sorts of things that require highly capable individuals? No iphones, electric cars, or covid vaccines, for example. Even the communists realized that when you've got smart students, take advantage and educate them as best you can. The third reich idiotically drove out their best scientists…

Is there any evidence at all that AP classes and high GPAs leads to success, when controlling for other variables?

Re: Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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> Another initiative headed for mandate status is a school policy that no assignment can receive a grade of less than 50% > And my direct supervisor repeatedly demanded that I pace my classes for the benefit of the single student in each section who was struggling the most I don't understand school. Why do they do things like this? Who actually thinks this is a good idea? I've never met anyone who does. How have we g…

Playing devils advocate for a moment, as grading works right now, a kid can quickly dig themselves into a hole that they have no realistic way to get out of, e.g., by utterly bombing on an exam or missing a few assignments early in the semester. The motivation for that kid to progress any further is zero, yet they are imprisoned in the classroom for the duration of the semester. This hits very close to home for me, a…

If I could have skipped high school, and went straight to a community college, my life might have been different?

I remember learning everything I should have in high school in 1 semester at a CC.

Plus--I found high school painful, and their was so much wasted time.

I was expected to work while going to high school, and remember thinking there's got to be a better way. In school all day felt like baby sitting, rather than learning.

I went to three high schools. Two were public, and one private.

All a bit different. The private one had way too many kids on drugs.

If anyone has a responsible kid who is thinking about dropping out, certain schools allow kids to go to CC early.

Re: Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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One of the most radical beliefs I have is we should get rid of private schools, because it lets the people most capable of forcing change to opt out of an increasingly broken system, and so it doesn't get fixed. Of course I say this as I seriously consider sending my kids to a private school because of articles like this.

The more likely result of your "solution" is that everyone simple gets a worse education.

Things are usually not solved by making things worse for everyone.

Instead, the solution, to most problems, is to try to help more people, instead of trying to stop others from being too good at educating their children.

Re: Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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Public school is broken and we all know it - in general. We need competent administrators, more teachers and smaller classes. Parents need more time to teach their children what is not and should not be taught at school. Kudos to parents who can afford and decide to be more hands on with children’s education. It is heartbreaking when all a child has is public school.

No, public school in the United States is broken. They're quite functional in the majority of the OECD.

If you are a parent and are in SF this should be a wake up call. The city is rapidly failing, it's in your best interest to get out now.

Re: Life as a public school teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2021

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School's so stupid. If you give people a grade and tell them to maximize it, with no meaningful rewards that they can understand, they're going to cheat. Duh. I regret not cheating in school, what a waste of time all of that shit was. The teacher is basically like "haha dumb kids, we know you're cheating" and "if only we could punish students more!". There's a lot of "the smart kids are suffering because of the dumb…

I like the school voucher idea a lot.

Give parents a voucher, as good as cash, for their child and let them choose the school.

Private companies will compete for those vouchers, aligning focus on satisfying the parents and the children, rather than the government.

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