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Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by innocentoldguy »

spacial wrote: post #314
goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

Well, in Brazil, the president (Borsalino) is promoting ivermectin as covid treatment. I can tell you is not working at all. I doesn't help at all. I have a coworker who as using ivermectin as prophylactic and went to ICU (he is recovering now).

That's weird. I just read about a study in a Japanese newspaper today stating that Ivermectin works great.

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Post by kkwteh »

vimy wrote: post #211
azinman2 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of others have debunked this here. Yet with all this conspiracy stuff there’s a big elephant in the room that no one seems to ever talk about: Covid is a global virus. The FDA can block and approve whatever treatments in the US, but it has no authority in Brazil or Thailand. If all these conspiracy drugs worked well yet the FDA blocked it for some malicious intent, the rest of the world would approve and use it.…

Most regions that use ivermectin have significantly less deaths. Example: https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/1334228581870931968

To me, this kind of regional comparison, contrasting before and after Ivermectin was deployed as a treatment, has been the most convincing evidence that Ivermectin is an effective treatment.

This paper by Pierre Kory has graphs that clearly show the evolution of Covid cases and deaths across different states in Peru.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/F...

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Post by Ivdg3 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #41
stephc_int13 wrote: post #11

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I find this extremely worrying, to be honest. They are legal and widely used drugs in most countries. They might not be miracle drugs to treat COVID-19, but I don't see the point in this ban.

The issue isn't the drug . It's the claim . The drug could be legal for use in the US, and there would still be an issue (unless there were studies good enough to pass FDA scrutiny that demonstrated the drugs effectiveness). In the US, you don't get to make medical claims that you can't prove are valid. Now, the other questions are whether Youtube should be considered "in the US", and whether Youtube should be an enf…

> In the US, you don't get to make medical claims that you can't prove are valid.

Every third video on YouTube is a diet or workout video, making medical claims.

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Post by ajb »

goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

" But since there hadn't been a randomized trial " This is not true. A quick search shows 71 trials covering ivermectin, of which 6 of which are complete, interventional[1], and have results

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ivermectin&cond=...

[1] This should mean an RCT, but I haven't time to read through each and check they are

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Post by Ivdg3 »

spacial wrote: post #314
goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

Well, in Brazil, the president (Borsalino) is promoting ivermectin as covid treatment. I can tell you is not working at all. I doesn't help at all. I have a coworker who as using ivermectin as prophylactic and went to ICU (he is recovering now).

Sample size 1.

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Post by [deleted] »

raphlinus wrote: post #257
swader999 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the wrong side to look at this from. These are just people on the fringe with little influence and funding. If ivermectin was authorized as a viable treatment the vaccines receiving emergency use authorisation wouldn't have been possible. There were and still are billions on the line.

I'm having difficulty understanding this line of reasoning. What does the authorization of ivermectin have to do with the vaccines? Xofluza, Relenza, and Tamiflu have been approved for treating influenza, and that has had no effect on the recommendation that people get their flu shots.

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Post by laverya »

bsder wrote: post #274
goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

Because ivermectin is conspiracy theory land. If you don't have a proven, understood mechanism (which ivermectin doesn't for a virus like Covid) then you have to rely on trials, and those just don't stand up. Quoting Derek Lowe on this: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/06/07/iv... > If you haven’t had to mess with drug discovery for a living, it’s understandable that you hear that Some Person Somew…

> If you don't have a proven, understood mechanism (which ivermectin doesn't for a virus like Covid) then you have to rely on trials, and those just don't stand up.

Please, there are a ton of antiviral drugs without an understood mechanism. We don't even know how Acetaminophen (Tylenol) works!

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Post by atum47 »

I was living in São Paulo when the pandemic started, so when I went into lock down mode, it made no sense for me to stay in SP, since the cases over there was high (compared to the small city my parents live), so I went to stay with my parents. Fast forward 6 months the company I was working for went full remote, new contracts and everything. So I decided to terminate my rent contract for the condo I was pay (but not living in) in SP. So, in the middle of the pandemic I had to go to SP to get my stuff and return the apartment. As prevention I took a lot of Vitamin C (with zinc) and Ivermectin. My rationale was: every one needs to take vermin medicine once a year, so why not Ivermectin, who some people are saying that is showing some results in the prevention and treatment of the COVID? So I took the recommend dose for my weight and went on my way. I did take care of my self with the default stuff as well, mask, alcohol for the hands, staying away from people... Glad to say that I did not contract the disease. At least I did not have any symptoms and wasn't sick.

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Post by coliveira »

If Ivermectin saved anyone, Brazil wouldn't be hotbed for COVID that it is right now. Doctors are prescribing Ivermectin to pretty much anyone who arrives with any signs that appear to be COVID-related. Some people are even taking it by themselves as a form of "prevention". It has not worked as the numbers clearly show.

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Post by plebianRube »

emn13 wrote: post #250
blumomo wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could be what you call a „limited hangout“. You only admit what you can’t hide any longer. Firstly it was a no-go to claim it came from the lab. „It came from a wet market“ was the only truth you were allowed to claim without getting censored. Now that Fauci‘s emails are visible, it becomes more evident that the origin is a lab. Now you are only allowed to claim that it accidentally escaped from a lab. What’s ne…

Where exactly is this positive evidence it leaked from the Wuhan lab - and not just emails that considered the possibility it might have?

There is no 'smoking gun' but you will never see one without the fog of propaganda cast over it.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-...

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