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Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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I remember it differently as not a "lab leak hypothesis" but a claim that the virus was not from nature but was a man-made virus, to wit: "I can present solid scientific evidence to our audience that this virus, COVID-19 SARS-CoV-2 virus, actually is not from nature. It is a man-made virus created in the lab." — Dr. Li-Meng Yan on the Tucker Carlson show.

There are really two separate lab leak hypotheses: 1. That it was made in the lab and accidentally released 2. That it was made in the lab and released intentionally as some kind of biowarfare or population control. (1) has been discussed as a definite possibility by credible scientists since day 1 (and although it's true that the mainstream media didn't really pick up on it, I don't see much evidence that they inten…

Nobody ever seriously discussed (1). The best (and so obvious) rebuttal to (2) is "If COVID is a weapon, it sucks." The only time (2) comes up is when people want to censor (1) so they twist it into something similar to (2).

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Let’s not forget the censorship of the lab leak hypothesis. A few months ago it was a racist theory that constituted thoughtcrime and couldn’t be mentioned, and now the mainstream thinking is that it’s the most likely explanation.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27562573.

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> But who is to blame for the deaths of thousands of people, who could have been saved by Ivermectin, Entirely irrelevant when discussing YouTube, which we're doing now. YouTube is not a legitimate source for medical/drug information.

But drug commercials on TV are? I mean, why can't a doctor talk about the benefits of a certain drug with a "but talk to your own doctor first"? How is that any different?

Drug commercials are bad, and banned in pretty much every developed country. Anyway those drugs have been proven to work, this drug hasn't been proven to work.

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I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

Well, in Brazil, the president (Borsalino) is promoting ivermectin as covid treatment. I can tell you is not working at all.

I doesn't help at all. I have a coworker who as using ivermectin as prophylactic and went to ICU (he is recovering now).

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I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

> I truly hope in the coming years the censorship of this topic will be the catalyst for allowing free speech to prevail on social media. If someone died because of a "Take Ivermectin and you'll survive COVID" video on YouTube, who's to blame? Should YouTube not take steps to prevent the spread of misinformation that could kill people? edit Big downvotes, no response. Great system.

> If someone died because of a "Take Ivermectin and you'll survive COVID" video on YouTube, who's to blame?

How about the person who took it? We are presumably talking about adults, who we supposedly simultaneously trust with choosing a government that decides over life and death for millions in their own country and abroad.

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Ivermectin has been trialed also and has been available on experimental basis even in Europe - and it was found ineffective and is not recommended anymore. See: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 Also similar non-randomized evidence was strongly suggesting that hydroxychloroquine was very effective (e.g. Raoult in France) - until proper randomized trials found it was not effective at all. So yo…

The López-Medina trial was one of the biggest RCTs for Ivermectin. Out of the 60 trials for Ivermectin, it was one of the few that didn't show statistical significance. It was also seriously flawed - a large percentage of the placebo group was self-medicating using Ivermectin, they mixed up the treatment and placebo group, and they switched the primary outcome in the middle of the trial. That trial still showed impro…

just look at Brazil, where ivermectin and HCQ are used as mentos.

I does not help at all. (I wish it was a valid treatment).

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> Many people pushing Ivermectin have a vested interest in proving the vaccines are unnecessary. What is their vested interest in a generic, cheap, decades old, off patent drug? Vested interests tend to be in new, patented treatments. That's where big pharma profit is. So let's try a rephrase: Many people pushing patented treatments have a vested interest in proving off patent alternatives are unnecessary. For exampl…

Being proven right. That’s the anti-vac crowd’s dearest interest.

Ok, but let's not get confused. This is different than being an anti-vaxxer. You can speak up for something like Ivermectin AND be a pro-vaxxer. The most prominent voice on this is Bret Weinstein (biology PhD), who is more vaccinated than average. He and his wife and kids are vaccinated for the typical things plus typhoid, rabies, yellow fever... They are pro-vaccine and so am I. Vaccines are one of the best inventions ever.

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I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

Because ivermectin is conspiracy theory land. If you don't have a proven, understood mechanism (which ivermectin doesn't for a virus like Covid) then you have to rely on trials, and those just don't stand up. Quoting Derek Lowe on this: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/06/07/iv... > If you haven’t had to mess with drug discovery for a living, it’s understandable that you hear that Some Person Somew…

The creator of mRNA vaccines disagrees with you:

> What happens to confidence in public health and USG if ivermectin turns out to be safe and effective for COVID, and the genetic vaccines turn out to have signficant safety issues? This looks like a very plausible scenario from where I sit.

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1403836354098872322

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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I have watched his shows. Intellectual alt right is a quite suitable label for this guy.

I am genuinely curious to know what made you come to that conclusion? Assuming you mean darkhorse, what episode and what in that episode makes him alt right? Please be specific. If there are multiple examples then just provide a few.

Just browse the latest videos - these are clearly political and they are classical alt-right subjects: anti-vax, lab leak theory, how we are not racists, how we are being censored, something about trans-sexual people, portland riots ...
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