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Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by spadez »

void_mint wrote: post #15
goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

> I truly hope in the coming years the censorship of this topic will be the catalyst for allowing free speech to prevail on social media. If someone died because of a "Take Ivermectin and you'll survive COVID" video on YouTube, who's to blame? Should YouTube not take steps to prevent the spread of misinformation that could kill people? edit Big downvotes, no response. Great system.

>If someone died because of a "Take Ivermectin and you'll survive COVID" video on YouTube, who's to blame?

But who is to blame for the deaths of thousands of people, who could have been saved by Ivermectin, which in all probability is happening right now, and has been going on for many months, if not for the censorship of W.H.O, Youtube and media?

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by belltaco »

goldemerald wrote: post #27
13415 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without randomized trials you cannot recommend a drug because you cannot exclude confounders. It seems wrong to me to even speak of "overwhelming evidence" without a randomized trial or other sound ways to control or identify for confounders (e.g. causal models).

While randomized trials are certainly the gold-standard for determining if you should give a new drug to treat an arbitrary disease, that process is far too conservative during a pandemic where a huge majority of the world cannot access proper medical care. Ivermectin is already massively produced, used throughout the world, and cheap to manufacture (compared to new anti-Covid drugs). Even months ago before the benef…

>The sudden drop in Covid cases in India as the clearest indicator to me.

Nah that's just confirmation bias and rumors. It wasn't effective at all, otherwise India wouldn't have taken it off the recommended drugs list.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by mgamache »

jhayward wrote: post #44
guscost wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple. You have defined the latter as some variation on the former.

No, "there is a worldwide conspiracy to suppress Ivermectin so that Big Pharma can make vaccines" is clearly a conspiracy theory, it's not a tautology. Seriously, why all the tinfoil?

Why the tinfoil? When the WHO and the CDC/NIH and public officials lie repeatedly and demonstrably you can not trust them. Sort of invites wondering what the game is, because it's not public health.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by ds206 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #31

The antiparasitic ivermectin, with antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties That makes me wonder at the mechanism and biological pathways involved in how this works at all on anything and how that intersects with Covid-19. I'm alive in part because for some years my best friend was a former registered nurse who had let her nursing license lapse while she raised her special-needs sons and pursued training in various…

From what I understand, it's the anti-inflammatory piece of Ivermectin that can help with covid because, apparently, the respiratory issue with covid is not caused by covid directly but rather an overexcited autoimmune response.

I'm not a doctor but that's what some doctors on YouTube have said ;)

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by reedjosh »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #30
stephc_int13 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this extremely worrying, to be honest. They are legal and widely used drugs in most countries. They might not be miracle drugs to treat COVID-19, but I don't see the point in this ban.

Good, you should. This is a major problem that short circuited lots of brains because it was easy to follow the msm narrative which character assassinated anybody who didnt conform, then used that narrative to start censoring. Again on the censorship topic many of us had been ringing warning bells (some great if devolved convos during were had here when the big censorship push happened...) When are all you intelligen…

> the history of the world is a history of conspiracy

^ 100% This

I'll join you on this sinking ship. : )

Thanks for saying it arminiusreturns. I think more people need to argue this. Maybe it'll someday flip the script and people will finally become suspicious of authority.

Most people just look at what the majority claims. Maybe if they see enough people arguing for this, they'd flip sides.

It's silly, but logic doesn't even seem to matter since logic and evidence is so quickly brushed aside via the ad-hominem of `conspiracy theorist`.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by desine »

goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

You can't get EUA for the vaccines if there's a working treatment. The doctor who promoted Hydroxychloroquine and zinc treatment, Dr. Zelenko, is still banned from Twitter for spreading COVID disinformation.

There's both actual conspiracies in this world, and well poisoning to damage the conversations. When you look at the amount of money these companies stand to make from producing billions of vaccinations, you should not be surprised.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by Tenoke »

mgamache wrote: post #16
13415 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without randomized trials you cannot recommend a drug because you cannot exclude confounders. It seems wrong to me to even speak of "overwhelming evidence" without a randomized trial or other sound ways to control or identify for confounders (e.g. causal models).

Actually a meta analysis can offer better evidence then a single RCT. https://ascopost.com/issues/june-10-2014/randomized-trials-v...

The best meta-analyses are those made out of RCTs at any rate.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by DoreenMichele »

ds206 wrote: post #54
DoreenMichele wrote: post #31

The antiparasitic ivermectin, with antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties That makes me wonder at the mechanism and biological pathways involved in how this works at all on anything and how that intersects with Covid-19. I'm alive in part because for some years my best friend was a former registered nurse who had let her nursing license lapse while she raised her special-needs sons and pursued training in various…

From what I understand, it's the anti-inflammatory piece of Ivermectin that can help with covid because, apparently, the respiratory issue with covid is not caused by covid directly but rather an overexcited autoimmune response. I'm not a doctor but that's what some doctors on YouTube have said ;)

Antiinflammatories are generally useful against all kinds of things. Inflammation is a common side effect of infection.

I find that answer unsatisfactory. If "it's an anti-inflammatory!" is The Answer, there are lots of antiinflammatories out there.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by hannob »

kcplate wrote: post #24

I think the future is going to look back on this pandemic and be simply amazed that the public allowed social media companies to dictate to the world what scientists and the people could and could not discuss. Much in the same way we look at the 16th century with Galileo and the Catholic Church.

This thread is literally under a scientific publication investigating the effectiveness of Ivermecitin, but yeah, basically like Galileo Galilei. Except not at all.
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