Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection • Hacker News Board

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by epicureanideal » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:55 PM UTC

99_00 wrote: post #4

Talking about this study on Youtube is forbidden according to their TOS. "Don’t post content on YouTube if it includes any of the following: Treatment misinformation: Content that recommends use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 Claims that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine are effective treatments for COVID-19" https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785?hl=en

This is an interesting link. I wasn’t aware they specifically discouraged talking about specific medications. I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted heavily as if you said something offensive..

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by kitcar » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:55 PM UTC

whoooooo123 wrote: post #14

kitcar wrote: post #8

The FDA has a page on Invermectin for Covid treatment, which provides a reminder that veterinary drugs are not designed for human consumption. https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul... "For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do—a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in…

Ivermectin isn't a "veterinary drug", it's been used as a human medicine for decades.

The link I provided from the FDA says:

"There seems to be a growing interest in a drug called ivermectin to treat humans with COVID-19. Ivermectin is often used in the U.S. to treat or prevent parasites in animals.

The FDA has received multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses."

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by _Wintermute » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

stephc_int13 wrote: post #11

99_00 wrote: post #4

Talking about this study on Youtube is forbidden according to their TOS. "Don’t post content on YouTube if it includes any of the following: Treatment misinformation: Content that recommends use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 Claims that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine are effective treatments for COVID-19" https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785?hl=en

I find this extremely worrying, to be honest. They are legal and widely used drugs in most countries. They might not be miracle drugs to treat COVID-19, but I don't see the point in this ban.

Because people are idiots and will try and self-medicate, potentially making themselves really ill.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by kcplate » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

I think the future is going to look back on this pandemic and be simply amazed that the public allowed social media companies to dictate to the world what scientists and the people could and could not discuss. Much in the same way we look at the 16th century with Galileo and the Catholic Church.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by jhayward » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

"Ivermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell cultures.13 However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans."

"Since the last revision of this section of the Guidelines, the results of several randomized trials and retrospective cohort studies of ivermectin use in patients with COVID-19 have been published in peer-reviewed journals or have been made available as manuscripts ahead of peer review. Some clinical studies showed no benefits or worsening of disease after ivermectin use,21-24 whereas others reported shorter time to resolution of disease manifestations that were attributed to COVID-19,25-28 greater reduction in inflammatory marker levels,26,27 shorter time to viral clearance,21,26 or lower mortality rates in patients who received ivermectin than in patients who received comparator drugs or placebo.21,26,28

However, most of these studies had incomplete information and significant methodological limitations, which make it difficult to exclude common causes of bias."

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/ant...

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by Turing_Machine » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

void_mint wrote: post #15

goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

> I truly hope in the coming years the censorship of this topic will be the catalyst for allowing free speech to prevail on social media. If someone died because of a "Take Ivermectin and you'll survive COVID" video on YouTube, who's to blame? Should YouTube not take steps to prevent the spread of misinformation that could kill people? edit Big downvotes, no response. Great system.

Here's a response:

YouTube is chock-full of dubious health information. But only this one got banned.

Why?

For the record, since I've been muzzled from responding further, I don't believe that it was "money".

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by goldemerald » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

13415 wrote: post #12

goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

Without randomized trials you cannot recommend a drug because you cannot exclude confounders. It seems wrong to me to even speak of "overwhelming evidence" without a randomized trial or other sound ways to control or identify for confounders (e.g. causal models).

While randomized trials are certainly the gold-standard for determining if you should give a new drug to treat an arbitrary disease, that process is far too conservative during a pandemic where a huge majority of the world cannot access proper medical care. Ivermectin is already massively produced, used throughout the world, and cheap to manufacture (compared to new anti-Covid drugs). Even months ago before the benefits were known, the risks of taking the drug were very small, especially when the treatment guidelines were to do practically nothing.

Still, the many pieces of non-randomized evidence can still clearly point towards this drugs efficacy. The sudden drop in Covid cases in India as the clearest indicator to me.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by Turing_Machine » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

_Wintermute wrote: post #23

stephc_int13 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this extremely worrying, to be honest. They are legal and widely used drugs in most countries. They might not be miracle drugs to treat COVID-19, but I don't see the point in this ban.

Because people are idiots and will try and self-medicate, potentially making themselves really ill.

You are not their parent, and neither is YouTube.

Besides the scads of dubious (or outright dangerous) health-related videos on other topics, YouTube has videos of people flying "wing suits" and engaging in many other risky activities.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by jhayward » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

mgamache wrote: post #13

Remember if Ivermectin was considered a safe treatment, there would have been no Emergency Use Authorization for vaccines. There was huge incentives to suppress the Ivermectin story until the vaccines were approved. Merck claimed it's own drug (off patent) did not have enough safety data. This is a drug taken by millions of people every month for decades.

This is a conspiracy theory. Why is it that everyone who pushes Ivermectin as a miracle cure for COVID is also a conspiracy aficionado?

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by arminiusreturns » Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

stephc_int13 wrote: post #11

99_00 wrote: post #4

Talking about this study on Youtube is forbidden according to their TOS. "Don’t post content on YouTube if it includes any of the following: Treatment misinformation: Content that recommends use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 Claims that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine are effective treatments for COVID-19" https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785?hl=en

I find this extremely worrying, to be honest. They are legal and widely used drugs in most countries. They might not be miracle drugs to treat COVID-19, but I don't see the point in this ban.

Good, you should. This is a major problem that short circuited lots of brains because it was easy to follow the msm narrative which character assassinated anybody who didnt conform, then used that narrative to start censoring. Again on the censorship topic many of us had been ringing warning bells (some great if devolved convos during were had here when the big censorship push happened...)

When are all you intelligent hacker news readers going to realize the history of the world is a history of conspiracy, and its the coincidence theorists that are the ones actually ignoring the truth(s)? Let me know when you want to have that convo and Ill show up.