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Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think this is a matter of a few months? All we know is that the author hasn't traveled "recently". But yes, those kinds of thresholds are common when it comes to residency as an official concept for e.g. taxation. Usually the threshold is around 183 days, but there is no reason why it'd be obviously less arbitrary than other choices.

Where do you have this strange number from? The factorization is 3 * 61.

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Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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Well... is the author actually in Maylasia or Germany? I mean, that matters. You don't get to personally choose whose laws you're subject to, nor does Google. Having your Google settings set to Germany does nothing to protect you from Maylay law, nor Google for that matter. If you don't want to be subject to the laws of the country you're in[1] you have to move . Google can't help you. [1] Edit: I guess in this circu…

Yup. Plus, beyond privacy there's the matter of taxes, both paid by the consumer when purchasing but also paid (sometimes...) by Google to the country of operations. So yeah, you don't get to decide.

Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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Xoogler here. The way I remember this working is that it is entirely dependent on the methods of payment (MOP) associated with your account. If you remove MOPs from country A, and then 30 days later you add a MOP from country B, your underlying gaia account will have the home country migrated (affects play store, etc). The workaround is to use different accounts, each with MOP from different countries. Pretty sure IP…

This seems to have been changed lately - Google account will switch it's location (but not language) by itself if it detects you're in a certain country for a long time. Happened to some people I know as well.

Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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I understand the author's frustration. But until someone finds out how a company that operates globally can satisfy the laws of the countries their customers are located in without associating the accounts with a country, I'm not sure what we can do. > What I find curious is that it says the services are essentially the same between different countries. So, there is no advantage to me as a consumer for anything to ch…

And how does google satisfy a countries laws if they associate a customer with the wrong country?

Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone rents an Airbnb for a few months in a new location are they now a resident of that new location? If we aren't talking about residency then changing an association (whatever that means) seems arbitrary.

Actually, in many countries, yes, a "tax resident". For the UK it's 31 days of more than 3 hours of work. I think it's the same for the US.

it's bit more complex than that (I've suffered regarding this)

The Automatic Overseas Test

You would normally be considered a non-UK resident if you meet any one of the following elements of the Automatic Overseas Test:

    You were considered as a UK resident in one or more of the previous three tax years, but you spend fewer than 16 days in the UK in the current tax year
    You spend fewer than 46 days in the UK in the tax year AND you were non-UK resident in the preceding three tax years
    You work full time outside the UK and spend fewer than 91 days in the UK and you work fewer than 31 days in the UK for three hours or less in any given day.

Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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It's even worse if you don't enable javascript. Suddenly most google services will be in another language (not english) and there's nothing you can do about it. My google account regularly gets switched to Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc because lots of people from those countries use the same (canadian) VPS provider as me to tunnel though.

If only there was some sort of Accept-Language header.

Don’t get me started! Every time I travel somewhere, Google and a bunch of other web sites just decide on their own to send me web content in the local language. Why?? Just respect the user agent’s Accept-Language header. That’s the whole purpose of it!

Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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Why are you using Google if privacy is this much of a concern for you? There are many other services that provide much better privacy protections, eg ProtonMail.

Even ProtonMail needs to operate under Malaysian law for Malaysian residents.

Being "private" doesn't magically make GDPR affect non-EU residents.

Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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Location has has become a huge thorn in Google's side in a number of areas:

- Geographical location of data (Data regions) for Google Workspace

- Culpable deniability about a user's location when anonymously accessing Google Maps

- Compliance with local laws where the user is physically located when accessing a service

- Region locked applications

- Financial/banking restrictions

I'm sure there are more. Google is justifiably concerned about compliance and liability. That's the incentive for these changes, not improving the user experience.

Re: An unwanted update to your Google Account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because the GDPR doesn't apply to citizens, but to companies. It only applies to companies that target the EU for their services: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...

That is technically correct, but ultimately unhelpful in the context of the post. I’ve rewritten my question to address your objections to my phrasing. Is Google required to comply with GDPR data and deletion requests made by EU citizens that Google has deemed to be be residing in Malaysia? Since you’re familiar with GDPR, I would appreciate your opinion on it.

No, GDPR explicitly speaks about EU residents and not citizens. Which means that OP is not covered, but an American living in France is.
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