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The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll tell you the positions, directions, and speeds of the traffic on the runways, which are a big deal.

Don't they have ground radar for this?

Maybe they do now, at some airports. Radar is far, far more expensive than a dashcam set in the tower.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Now that the technology is so inexpensive, we need to have them in cars!

Get a dashcam. I wonder how soon a car would be able to publish its metrics, like speed, motor rpm, data from ABS and brakes, etc via a protected Bluetooth channel, so that a dashcam or a phone could keep recording it, like the black box.

Now?

You can already get those metrics from the car's OBD2 port.

There are even dongles which have Bluetooth so you can see/record the metrics on your phone, so it shouldn't take much to get them on a dashcam.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Marc Andreessen describes his experiences seeking funding for Netscape as a disaster, particularly among the telecom giants of the age who had a potential stake in related businesses. Nobody thought the web or a web browser were worth investing in. Who would ever use those?

The moral of these stories is that originality scares the shit of people. Good ideas are not immediately apparent.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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I've watched all the episodes of Aviation Disasters. The device missing from cockpits is the video recorder. Many investigations revolve around questions like what is the pilot looking at, what the instruments show, even who the heck is in the pilot's seat. Video can confirm switch settings and instrument readouts (the voice recorder is also used to confirm if the warning horns sounded properly). Instead, a lot of ef…

If I was a pilot I'd hate to be constantly surveilled by a camera, even if the footage is "never reviewed". In fact, it's got nothing to do with being a pilot.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Now that the technology is so inexpensive, we need to have them in cars!

Get a dashcam. I wonder how soon a car would be able to publish its metrics, like speed, motor rpm, data from ABS and brakes, etc via a protected Bluetooth channel, so that a dashcam or a phone could keep recording it, like the black box.

Dashcams pointing outwards are not legal in the EU due to privacy laws.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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The last sentences about uploading data to the cloud had not struck me before. It is such an obvious development, if not to replace so to complement. But perhaps there are challenges around it that are not obvious?

It is such an obvious development, if not to replace so to complement. But perhaps there are challenges around it that are not obvious?

You might be surprised how scant and expensive bandwidth becomes once you are out of sight of land

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couple of issues here; the first and foremost - recording people at their workplace. We can all argue how privacy is unreasonable in public but recording let alone pilots but anyone continuously at work will receive big pushback. Also video occupies much more data than most other streams of information stored on blackbox. This coupled with the fact that anything aviation related takes decades to get into widespread u…

"If the people in the cockpit aren't doing anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about".

A reasonable argument for stoners lighting up in the supermarket carpark.

Not so for someone flying several tons of metal that will absolutely fuck up the lives of many people if they aren't paying full attention.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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I've watched all the episodes of Aviation Disasters. The device missing from cockpits is the video recorder. Many investigations revolve around questions like what is the pilot looking at, what the instruments show, even who the heck is in the pilot's seat. Video can confirm switch settings and instrument readouts (the voice recorder is also used to confirm if the warning horns sounded properly). Instead, a lot of ef…

If I was a pilot I'd hate to be constantly surveilled by a camera, even if the footage is "never reviewed". In fact, it's got nothing to do with being a pilot.

Don't buy a Tesla then. They have cameras pointing at you and recording while driving.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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I've watched all the episodes of Aviation Disasters. The device missing from cockpits is the video recorder. Many investigations revolve around questions like what is the pilot looking at, what the instruments show, even who the heck is in the pilot's seat. Video can confirm switch settings and instrument readouts (the voice recorder is also used to confirm if the warning horns sounded properly). Instead, a lot of ef…

If I was a pilot I'd hate to be constantly surveilled by a camera, even if the footage is "never reviewed". In fact, it's got nothing to do with being a pilot.

If I was a private pilot, sure (and I am one). If I am a commercial pilot ferrying hundreds of passengers or millions of dollars worth of cargo, I'm no different from a public transit employee (or a public employee for that matter), in which case I damn well have to put up with being surveilled on camera.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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I've watched all the episodes of Aviation Disasters. The device missing from cockpits is the video recorder. Many investigations revolve around questions like what is the pilot looking at, what the instruments show, even who the heck is in the pilot's seat. Video can confirm switch settings and instrument readouts (the voice recorder is also used to confirm if the warning horns sounded properly). Instead, a lot of ef…

Couple of issues here; the first and foremost - recording people at their workplace. We can all argue how privacy is unreasonable in public but recording let alone pilots but anyone continuously at work will receive big pushback. Also video occupies much more data than most other streams of information stored on blackbox. This coupled with the fact that anything aviation related takes decades to get into widespread u…

why we cannot just delete record when airplane take off next time? if airplane landing safely, we do not need record anymore.
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