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Re: Massachusetts health notifications app installed without users’ knowledge

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Just the thought of Google being able to do something like this scares the $&@*#% out of me. How on earth can you trust a company that does something like this?

Next thing you know... they will change your Nest settings if they think you set your air conditioning too cold!

Re: Massachusetts health notifications app installed without users’ knowledge

#72
post #15

Governments around the world have already started to pilfer data collected from these apps, as was predictable. [1] [1] https://www.9news.com.au/national/wa-police-stand-by-decisio...

That's a totally different category of app though right - the ones using the Apple-Google framework don't share any PII.

Re: Massachusetts health notifications app installed without users’ knowledge

#73
post #54

How is this different from any update program, like windows update or Ubuntu update, installing software/upgrades whenever you get updates?

"Automatically update the programs I currently have installed when new versions are available, with a flag to disable this behavior" vs. "Arbitrarily install new programs from scratch via a separate mechanism that doesn't respect the 'disable automatic updates' flag"

Re: Massachusetts health notifications app installed without users’ knowledge

#75
post #37

I think the real question is what mechanism allows them to push a random app to some phones? google play services is actively listening for remote installation requests? that's essentially a remote-code-execution backdoor to all android phones?

My guess is that it's the Play Store app itself that does this (con.android.vending). That app is responsible for both updating itself regularly and installing/updating other apps.

One possible way: There is a daily job run in the Play Store called "daily hygiene" that performs various configured tasks based on device state and device targeting. It would not be difficult to add some code to install this app for MA users, then push it with the next Play Store update. I am very unpleasantly surprised that this app was installed from a policy perspective, however.

Re: Massachusetts health notifications app installed without users’ knowledge

#76
I wonder if this is the same functionality some carriers use to install their management app on your phone. For example, I've recently bought a second hand Samsung tablet.

I've reset it to factory settings and put in a Vodafone SIM. The next time I looked though the installed apps I saw some Vodafone Services app that I didn't install. It couldn't be removed either.

So clearly, either Google with play services or the carrier over the baseband modem can install apps without user consent.

Is there any way this can be avoided? Do open ROMs like carbonROM or LineageOS protect against this?

Re: Massachusetts health notifications app installed without users’ knowledge

#77
post #37

I think the real question is what mechanism allows them to push a random app to some phones? google play services is actively listening for remote installation requests? that's essentially a remote-code-execution backdoor to all android phones?

I thought this was well-known, Android is not private at all until you degoogle. Unlock your bootloader then install a ROM without Google Play Services such as GrapheneOS, CalyxOS or LineageOS. You can consider installing microG also as an open-source minimal implementation of Google Play Services if some of it's functionality is absolutely necessary for you to keep.

That doesn't fix the issue

ISPs mandate certain capabilities of the cellular modem + the simcards (remember java cards? that ran java? they still exist as simcards!)

Government RCE is still 100% on the table regardless of whatever software your phone is running

Re: Massachusetts health notifications app installed without users’ knowledge

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post #37

I think the real question is what mechanism allows them to push a random app to some phones? google play services is actively listening for remote installation requests? that's essentially a remote-code-execution backdoor to all android phones?

Isn’t there a feature from the app stores allowing for remote installation of apps?

Re: Massachusetts health notifications app installed without users’ knowledge

#79

It is obvious that we need better legislation to deal with all the new possibilities that technologies have opened. The installation of this app, even done with good intent, open a lot of questions on what should be possible or not to be done by government and corporations. When you get a device with pre-installed, uninstallable, or auto-installed apps. What are the rules? > "By enabling this service, you can be quic…

> In this case it seems that the same goal could have been better achieved by SMS that do not depend on the brand of your phone. The dependency on proprietary app stores and OSs seems a risk for the continuation of a free and reliable communications.

While installing an app without users consent can be as questionable as you want, the point about these apps are not the notifications itself but about the contact tracing which is achieved through the bluetooth functionality. also, sending sms messages has other privacy concerns that the tracing apps have tried to avoid from the very beginning. having a person phone number can lead to eventually identify that person while that internal trace id it might use, won't.

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