Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
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Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
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Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#2This goofy stuff shows up every time there's a new Microsoft console (or console Microsoft is involved in.)
It won't happen.
The whole point of a gaming console is that developers know exactly what they have available in terms of processing power and memory. As soon as you let a general purpose OS run behind the scenes, you give up that control, and with it, the ease of use and quality user experience that comes from (in theory) never having to worry about a game running out of memory and crashing, or running sluggish because of background processes.
Multitasking outside of the gaming processes is something that will always be kept to a minimum in order to keep the experience as flawless as possible for the user. Right now, you can do the bare minimum required for the basics of today's gaming environment, which is downloads, voice chat, friends lists, etc. These processes use minimal known CPU, and a finite but known amount of memory, and that's why it's a console and not just a Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo branded computer.
Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#3Short answer: no
Long answer: They will keep the UI convergence moving in the same direction, but the underlying kernel will most definitely be Xbox specific.
Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#4This goofy stuff shows up every time there's a new Microsoft console (or console Microsoft is involved in.) It won't happen. The whole point of a gaming console is that developers know exactly what they have available in terms of processing power and memory. As soon as you let a general purpose OS run behind the scenes, you give up that control, and with it, the ease of use and quality user experience that comes from…
"As soon as you let a general purpose OS run behind the scenes, you give up that control"
That's less true than it used to be. The PS3 certainly reserves resources for the top-level OS, I assume the XBox360 does too. The next generation could easily carve out resources dedicated at the hardware level for the top-level OS while exposing constant hardware resources for the games, and with the further progression of Moore's Law they could definitely have a usable top-level OS without starving the game level.
(Theoretically this reservation could be done by a software hypervisor, but I suspect that if you're actually designing this in from scratch, it's easier to "secure" the system with actual dedicated hardware.)
Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#5Likely not, but if at all I would expect a stripped down version. It will more likely be an iteration on the current xbox OS.
Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#6This goofy stuff shows up every time there's a new Microsoft console (or console Microsoft is involved in.) It won't happen. The whole point of a gaming console is that developers know exactly what they have available in terms of processing power and memory. As soon as you let a general purpose OS run behind the scenes, you give up that control, and with it, the ease of use and quality user experience that comes from…
I wouldn't assume there will be a "general purpose" OS running. I'm betting that the desktop-like manager will be treated like another application in a loosely coupled way, so that the only thing running behind the game is the kernel.
That sorta seems like a no-brainer to me.
Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#7This goofy stuff shows up every time there's a new Microsoft console (or console Microsoft is involved in.) It won't happen. The whole point of a gaming console is that developers know exactly what they have available in terms of processing power and memory. As soon as you let a general purpose OS run behind the scenes, you give up that control, and with it, the ease of use and quality user experience that comes from…
"As soon as you let a general purpose OS run behind the scenes, you give up that control" That's less true than it used to be. The PS3 certainly reserves resources for the top-level OS, I assume the XBox360 does too. The next generation could easily carve out resources dedicated at the hardware level for the top-level OS while exposing constant hardware resources for the games, and with the further progression of Moo…
It's still true, because the PS4/Xbox720/Whatever run limited hardware specs that basically wouldn't allow enough ram/cpu available for a general purpose OS running at the same time to come even close to replicating the speed of an actual desktop system. On top of that, the processors these game systems use suck for desktop style applications.
Right now, the PS3/360 reserves somewhere between 30-50mb of system ram, and only requires that game processes yield occasionally on one of their multiple processors. That's a far cry from having full desktop power available at the beck and call of the OS.
The price point of consoles will limit the ability for that to happen all by itself. You aren't going to see 4gb of ram in the next consoles, frankly I'll be happy if they even allow 2gb, but I've been hearing it probably won't even be that high.
Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#8This goofy stuff shows up every time there's a new Microsoft console (or console Microsoft is involved in.) It won't happen. The whole point of a gaming console is that developers know exactly what they have available in terms of processing power and memory. As soon as you let a general purpose OS run behind the scenes, you give up that control, and with it, the ease of use and quality user experience that comes from…
I wouldn't assume there will be a "general purpose" OS running. I'm betting that the desktop-like manager will be treated like another application in a loosely coupled way, so that the only thing running behind the game is the kernel. That sorta seems like a no-brainer to me.
Sure. That's radically different from "Running Windows 8" however. Simulating a Windows 8-like environment? Sure. Not the same thing though.
Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#9This is something I've been musing about for a couple of years now... ever since I wondered what the next-gen consoles might be like, given their convergence with PCs.
What I would really like to see is the reverse of the title - for Windows 8 to run XBox 720. I'd like to see the 720 become a software platform, which could run on both dedicated console hardware and a more traditional PC. The software platform could define a very strict minimum-hardware specification, which would set a consistent base-line for everyone.
And by minimum-hardware specification, I'm thinking much like the strategy with Windows Phone 7. Whilst there is a choice in handsets from different manufacturers, there are some very strict minimum-requirements. Manufacturers are allowed to go above and beyond these requirements, but at least there is a consistent base-line, leading to a very well done development experience (contrast with the 'fragmentation' of Android, or the current Windows development experience, where you have no idea what to expect, except for maybe the little bit of expectation you have from hardware supporting a given version of DirectX).
So Microsoft could continue to produce their own dedicated hardware units that meet the minimum spec, but anyone with a PC that meets the 720 spec could also play the same games and use the same peripherals.
Of course PC hardware would continue to improve with time, but the 720 minimum requirements will be static, so a game should run the same on all Xbox 720 hardware implementations.
(Potentially, game developers could be allowed to make use of the better hardware when it is available to improve graphics, but only as an optional extra where available, and only if the game will still run on the minimum 720 spec. This could be dangerous though if things became too inconsistent, from the gamer's point of view).
So what I'm saying is that games would be certified to run on the 720 platform, regardless of what form that platform takes (so long as it meets the requirements).
Then maybe 2 or 3 years down the line (whenever the next-next-gen 'Xbox 1080' comes around), all that would need to happen is for a new minimum-hardware requirement be defined, with a new Xbox 1080 certification for games. Backwards compatibility with the 720 would be trivial.
Of course, this is just my idea. As good an idea as I think it is, maybe I'm missing something
Re: Will the Xbox 720 run Windows 8?
#10Short answer: no Long answer: They will keep the UI convergence moving in the same direction, but the underlying kernel will most definitely be Xbox specific.
Actually I believe quite the opposite: kernel will continue to be NT based, but the shell will be completely different.