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The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Well if this idea can't survive being dropped, it's not much good is it? Sorry...

> Interestingly, modern flight data recorders are required to have an underwater locator beacon that pulses once per second at 37.5 kilohertz for 30 days and is supposed to be detectable at depths of at least 14,000 feet (4,267 meters). But they don’t have comparable beacons for crashes on land.

After Japan Airlines Flight 123, that is shocking to me.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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The black box has worked well for all in Common Law countries.

In countries with French-style law, that might be different for pilots. (Essentially you're guilty until proven innocent, and they hire a retired judge with nothing better to do except to drag out the hearings (and fees) until they die.)

However the scale has tipped recently in the US with a central pilot records database being created recently. So at every step of your career, you're recorded and tracked. If an employer doesn't like you, they can scribble whatever they want in your permanent government record now.

So before a pilot candidate spends $200,000 on a college education and pilot training, they need to think about both losing their medical at any time, and what will happen if their airline decides to fire them and give them a hard time.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Well if this idea can't survive being dropped, it's not much good is it? Sorry... > Interestingly, modern flight data recorders are required to have an underwater locator beacon that pulses once per second at 37.5 kilohertz for 30 days and is supposed to be detectable at depths of at least 14,000 feet (4,267 meters). But they don’t have comparable beacons for crashes on land. After Japan Airlines Flight 123, that is…

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Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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This inventor is probably joined by many others before him that had the same idea, were shrugged off and did not have the tenacity to follow up despite that. Another example for what is common wisdom: Execution is everything.

The myth of the inventor-founder is something from the industrual age. Interesting how it still persists.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Wow. History hasn't been kind. As is often the case around limited-mindset thinking.

From TFA: "civil authorities said that “Dr Warren’s instrument has little immediate direct use in civil aircraft.” The Royal Australian Air Force likewise decided that “such a device is not required—the recorder would yield more expletives than explanations.”

Well. No. Multiple air crashes across the world relied on recordings as a key part of their investigation. Especially when a plane lands in the Hudson, just to name one example.

This is very telling:

"Most damning was the Federation of Air Pilots, which declared that the device would be like “a spy flying alongside—no plane would take off in Australia with Big Brother listening.”

History wasn't kind here either. Just try and take off in a jet from a commercial airliner without the various safety equipment installed. The insurance companies alone will try to eat you alive, let alone every other agency.

There's definitely a repeating theme around safety equipment and authority/authority figures. The ridicule at the start is definitely a common starting point. Seat belts and air bags were both ridiculous inventions. Then they weren't. Then they became required.

Quote from elsewhere and not necessarily about flight recorders: "It has been said that any new idea must pass through three stages. First, it is ridiculed; second, it is subject to argument: third, it is accepted. The safety idea has reached the final stage. It is accepted." -- Earl B. Morgan, journal of Safety Engineering, 1917

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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Well if this idea can't survive being dropped, it's not much good is it? Sorry... > Interestingly, modern flight data recorders are required to have an underwater locator beacon that pulses once per second at 37.5 kilohertz for 30 days and is supposed to be detectable at depths of at least 14,000 feet (4,267 meters). But they don’t have comparable beacons for crashes on land. After Japan Airlines Flight 123, that is…

>But they don’t have comparable beacons for crashes on land.

Well, they do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_...

But the reason you need underwater beacons in particular is that the water absorbs RF signals, so you'll actually use acoustic beacons underwater. Such a device would be useless above the water since air is so much less dense.

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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This inventor is probably joined by many others before him that had the same idea, were shrugged off and did not have the tenacity to follow up despite that. Another example for what is common wisdom: Execution is everything. The myth of the inventor-founder is something from the industrual age. Interesting how it still persists.

Why is it a myth? Whenever I read about the founding of a big name company there's very often a significant innovation that it's initially premised on.

Disney - animated feature length film with sound, dogged vision of founder

Post / Kelloggs - invention of breakfast cereal, invented by founder (Kellogg's invention stolen by Post)

Carnegie steel - bridge prototype, highly risky and innovative endeavor

Ford - division of labor

Mars - caramel and nougat in chocolate, innovation over Hersheys' plain chocolate, invented by founder

Google - pagerank, invented by founders

Re: The inventor of the black box was told to drop the idea

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This inventor is probably joined by many others before him that had the same idea, were shrugged off and did not have the tenacity to follow up despite that. Another example for what is common wisdom: Execution is everything. The myth of the inventor-founder is something from the industrual age. Interesting how it still persists.

Why is it a myth? Whenever I read about the founding of a big name company there's very often a significant innovation that it's initially premised on. Disney - animated feature length film with sound, dogged vision of founder Post / Kelloggs - invention of breakfast cereal, invented by founder (Kellogg's invention stolen by Post) Carnegie steel - bridge prototype, highly risky and innovative endeavor Ford - division…

Post and Kellog have joint tenancy in weird theories about breakfast cereal and masturbation. I wouldn't class Post as a thief in this space. Also grape nuts are fantastic (and that isn't a joke about nutting)
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