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TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by 1_player »

stevofolife wrote: post #125
anthony_romeo wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO I find the platform to be mentally abusive for me. It's a whirlwind of stirring emotions, shocking content, and 'earworms' everywhere, where memes iteratively compound into their own nonsensical language at a faster rate than on other networks. I'm afraid of observing, say, misconceptions and false math tricks passively on the platform, and accidentally letting them burrow into my brain. There isn't enough time f…

You got it all wrong. You don't use TikTok for critical thinking. This product was never designed to be a critical thinking tool.

Critical thinking is a muscle. It can get weak and wither away really fast if addictive apps keep you on the dopamine hamster wheel.

It doesn't actively make you dumber, you make yourself dumber abusing it, and it's designed specifically for you to abuse it.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by DevKoala »

stronglikedan wrote: post #162
DevKoala wrote: post #111

TikTok is genius. I don’t have it installed, but whenever someone links me to it, it is hard to not continue looking at other related clips. I don’t see Facebook ever building something as cool.

> it is hard to not continue looking at other related clips. I don't have it installed, but when someone links me to a specific clip, it won't let me look at other clips without installing it. What am I doing wrong?

I think it is the desktop vs mobile web UI. If they detect you are in a mobile, they will push you to download the app. I have seen it too.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by rvz »

justicezyx wrote: post #128
Spivak wrote: post #31

Honestly, good for them. TikTok is such a breath of fresh air in the social media space -- it's bursting with raw unfiltered creativity, interactions are really genuine and I've actually met now IRL friends on TikTok. Their recommendation engine is scary good at discovery which solves the "I don't know who to follow" problem, the ads are the least intrusive of any social media platform. If you don't "get" TikTok beca…

> raw unfiltered creativity LMAO Those videos are literally produced by color or facial enhancement *filters*... Not to mention the content moderation and censorship...

No idea why you are downvoted, other than annoying the TikTok fanatics on this thread with "the facts" and a dose of reality that they seem to be trying to escape from by going into their own world of dancing short videos and community memes which is governed by another "recommendation algorithm" just like the rest of the other social networks out there. Nothing has changed.

Even when there is strong evidence of this blatant censorship and suppression, they (TikTok fanatics) are unable to refute or argue against this fact and quickly downvote us because they have nothing to fight with.

For example, one user [0] in the comments of this post went with a baseless claim that "TikTok ended censorship." and was quickly debunked [1] in the same conversation.

If you believe them, you might as well also believe that Facebook and others 'respect your privacy'; whilst also using recommendation algorithms and graphs at the same time.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27550717

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27551195

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by xvector »

cwkoss wrote: post #161
xvector wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok creators are pushing out so much incredible OC. It feels like half of the Reddit front page are just TikTok reposts (with the logo censored out, because Redditors are too cool to admit they like TikTok content.)

I think how the 'human centipede' of content works is really interesting as it has evolved over time. Creators coalese in certain apps and consumers others. 4 chan greentext used to be pretty common on Reddit a decade ago, and 9gag would repost reddit content. Twitter text often gets reposted to tiktok and reddit. Tiktok videos often get reposted to Twitter or Reddit. Heck, many major 'journalism' outfits now regular…

> - long form text: reddit

I would say Medium has taken over, here?

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by RGamma »

RGamma wrote: post #190
quenix wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you find it “fantastically stupid”?

Because it feeds mainly endless insubstantialities to its users and encourages others to produce the same. Even if not, its programmers or their bosses determine what millions of users will see (and by extension think), which may change arbitrarily. I know this may be old-school thinking but why can't we reserve the internet to utilities and non-algorithmic spoon-feeding?

Edit: should have said: "curiosity and not algo..."

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by robjan »

RGamma wrote: post #141
anthony_romeo wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO I find the platform to be mentally abusive for me. It's a whirlwind of stirring emotions, shocking content, and 'earworms' everywhere, where memes iteratively compound into their own nonsensical language at a faster rate than on other networks. I'm afraid of observing, say, misconceptions and false math tricks passively on the platform, and accidentally letting them burrow into my brain. There isn't enough time f…

I honestly think TikTok might be a ploy to dumb down/analyze the western population. I find it fantastically stupid. Once I saw the aggressive marketing for it in the play store I knew this was something we now have to deal with. And so we do.

It's a ploy to make money. Nothing more or less. It turns out that vapid content that you will forget about tomorrow resonates with all societies.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by wolverine876 »

radu_floricica wrote: post #180
wolverine876 wrote: post #148

There was a story awhile ago that TikTok's curation selected for relatively wealthy people, and I mean 'wealthy' the scale of rich countries. For example, they didn't want something shot in a home that looked impoverished, presumably because it wasn't the experience they wanted for their audience. I don't use TikTok, but a few times I've seen compilations of TikTok on YouTube, and the above description certainly matc…

Humans reflexively want to see beautiful, successful, high status people in rich, successful contexts. You don't need a conspiracy for this - it's the way things naturally flow. To prevent it you want to mess with "natural" algorythms so that you can teach the people what to want, and that way lies dystopia. The better your intentions the more horrible the result.

> You don't need a conspiracy for this ...

It's not a conspiracy, but a documented fact based on interviews with TikTok employees, etc. In fact, I'm not sure TikTok really denied it, but it was awhile ago.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by willio58 »

jensensbutton wrote: post #48
curiousllama wrote: post #35

The big difference between Tik Tok and everything else to me: when I stop scrolling, I feel _good_. On Instagram, I scroll until I hate myself. On Facebook, I used to scroll until I got frustrated. But on Tik Tok - it's a dopamine hit without the hangover.

You have no attachment to the content you see on Tik Tok. Facebook and Instagram are social network based. Tik Tok is not.

Tiktok is definitely a social network. For example you can send videos to your “friends” only and it will show up first when they open the app.

But, I get what you mean. Tiktok isn’t focused on friends, it feels more like a content stream similar to YouTube.

Re: TikTok owner ByteDance sees its earnings double in 2020

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Post by justicezyx »

rvz wrote: post #193
justicezyx wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> raw unfiltered creativity LMAO Those videos are literally produced by color or facial enhancement *filters*... Not to mention the content moderation and censorship...

No idea why you are downvoted, other than annoying the TikTok fanatics on this thread with "the facts" and a dose of reality that they seem to be trying to escape from by going into their own world of dancing short videos and community memes which is governed by another "recommendation algorithm" just like the rest of the other social networks out there. Nothing has changed. Even when there is strong evidence of this…

You know what?

I think HN passes the threshold of being a community capable of self sustaining, and now is gradually moving into more like a reddit.

In the sense, that HN now noticeably cannot accept non-conforming or non-positive statements.

I am thinking about creating a HN copy that dont hide any comments at all. The only rule is that everyone has to share his real name and basic social identity (where you work, age etc.). I think people would be more mindful if they risk their actual reputation.

Who knows, maybe I'll build it...

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