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Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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post #154

Starlink is in beta. The entire purpose of the beta is to find stuff like this. They found something, and I'm sure that the next iteration of this before it goes to mass market will account for it. You're just seeing the system work.

> You're just seeing the system work.

This sounds reasonable, and you make excellent points. But the important fact we all have to remember in these discussions is not the details, but that SpaceX is run by Elon Musk.

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't understand comments like this. 7 million people didn't decide to move here this year . Conditions in Arizona have dramatically changed over the lifetime of the state. It doesn't make sense to live where you can freeze to death or don't have access to water, either, does it? Except those two scenarios include most Americans . Without modern infrastructure, it hardly makes sense to live anywhere.

Obviously 7 million people didn’t move there over the course of this year. If that’s what you thought I was getting at, I’m not surprised you were confused. Conditions have changed, but are people reconsidering their own decisions?

Nope, namely if you suggest they decide to move. But other taxpayers has to pay to help them continue comfortable live as they live now.

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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post #154

Starlink is in beta. The entire purpose of the beta is to find stuff like this. They found something, and I'm sure that the next iteration of this before it goes to mass market will account for it. You're just seeing the system work.

The link is mostly a honeypot for Elon Musk haters. I wonder if they have bothered looking at the operating temperatures of other satellite Internet dishes?

A simple search will net you heating and cooling devices for satellite dishes. If you face more extreme temperatures, you need only go buy a heating and cooling unit.

http://www.dishcamo.com/dish_heater.htm

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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post #135

Several posters on r/Starlink report that they had seen their dishes at more than 122F, when this topic came up a few days ago. It's entirely possible that this story (and 122 hn comments so far) is about a dish with a loose heatsink, and not a product that always shuts down at 122F.

I also believe this was sitting on the ground on the tripod stand included in the box. I have ours roof mounted and noticed that the temperates were lower once mounted vs on the ground. That said our Farm isn't in AZ so it wasn't nearly as hot.

I think you're probably right about it being an edge case heatsink issue, one that was amplified by Dishy's placement.

Outside of that, Starlink has been great for us. Having a real connection rather than a 1 bar 4g connection has been life changing out at the farm.

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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I’m always surprised how poor engineering gets exposed in products I purchase being an Arizona resident. No, failing at 122F is not acceptable. If your hardware is exposed to outside conditions, it should operate easily below 32F, and well above 140F. Considering that phones can operate below 0F and near 122F, that’s embarrassingly bad. Same thing in vehicles. If you’re driving consistently at interstate speeds, you…

We're talking about 122F and exposed to direct sunlight for long durations. So more like 150F inside that thing and then with one stroke you are locked out of using any sort of customer electronics parts or packaging. I'm sure SpaceX will look into it but you might not like the outcome.

(And no, most phones will not operate at that temperature for longer than a few minutes)

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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post #154

Starlink is in beta. The entire purpose of the beta is to find stuff like this. They found something, and I'm sure that the next iteration of this before it goes to mass market will account for it. You're just seeing the system work.

If your engineering team had to wait for a product failure to realize an item that's going to be outdoors in the sun is going to get hot, what on earth else are they missing?

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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post #167

I’m always surprised how poor engineering gets exposed in products I purchase being an Arizona resident. No, failing at 122F is not acceptable. If your hardware is exposed to outside conditions, it should operate easily below 32F, and well above 140F. Considering that phones can operate below 0F and near 122F, that’s embarrassingly bad. Same thing in vehicles. If you’re driving consistently at interstate speeds, you…

Do air conditioners need special handling over there? When we got ours serviced the guy told me that in Western Sydney the split systems sometimes shut down on the worst days when you need them due to heat in direct sunlight. You need shade, but even then some had sprinkler/misting systems for the hotter days.

No, they're built with pretty extreme tolerances. Further, they're often placed on rooftops, so it's by design rather than convenience of the materials used.

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A reasonably modern air conditioner to cool your house in Phoenix a few months in the summer is more efficient than many of the common ways you'd heat a house from potentially well below freezing in the winter in many other places. And much of our power comes from solar (which is maximally available at the time cooling is maximally needed) and nuclear, while serious heating is often literally burning fossil fuels in…

I actually believe that the opposite is true. It takes much more energy to cool off a home with AC than it does to heat a home in cold weather.

It is counterintuitive but A/C in general has a much smaller footprint than heating.

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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post #173
post #154

Starlink is in beta. The entire purpose of the beta is to find stuff like this. They found something, and I'm sure that the next iteration of this before it goes to mass market will account for it. You're just seeing the system work.

The link is mostly a honeypot for Elon Musk haters. I wonder if they have bothered looking at the operating temperatures of other satellite Internet dishes? A simple search will net you heating and cooling devices for satellite dishes. If you face more extreme temperatures, you need only go buy a heating and cooling unit. http://www.dishcamo.com/dish_heater.htm

Surprisingly, the heating element built in appears to be pretty solid, or at least that's been the responses on /r/starlink.

You're definitely right that people are hating on it. Most of the people I know in real life that knocked it have access to land based internet. Once you get out into rural areas where 4g is the basis for your internet, it's amazing.

Re: Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit

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post #154

Starlink is in beta. The entire purpose of the beta is to find stuff like this. They found something, and I'm sure that the next iteration of this before it goes to mass market will account for it. You're just seeing the system work.

> You're just seeing the system work. This sounds reasonable, and you make excellent points. But the important fact we all have to remember in these discussions is not the details, but that SpaceX is run by Elon Musk.

Whoa. What guy? This thermal issue is critical.
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