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Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

tenpies wrote: post #19
kayodelycaon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole LGBT movement and stuff wouldn’t need to exist if people were accepting. People aren’t. And still aren’t. When you actively oppress people for who they are, it’s not surprising it becomes more important.

Why do LGBT movements still exist in cultures that were/are very accepting of LBTQ individuals then? Alternatively: why are they completely absent in the countries that need them the most?

> Why do LGBT movements still exist in cultures that were/are very accepting of LBTQ individuals then?

Do you have examples in mind? I can't think of a single culture that accepts LGBT as much as non-LGBT. Even ones that are somewhat close only became that way in the past decade or two.

> Alternatively: why are they completely absent in the countries that need them the most?

Because being identified as LGBT could literally endanger your life in those countries.

Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by david-gpu »

jlokier wrote: post #69
czbond wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> RE: It seems that I'm missing out something very important, but it really doesn't "click" for me. edit: I'm addressing identity as a whole - not in the context of s3xual preferences. I am no psychologist - but an engineer. I've noticed us engineers aren't feelers. More often we run our interpretation of the world through logic and thinking first, rather than feelings first. Some people are heavy feelers and run ev…

That's not what I've noticed in engineers. What I've noticed most often is engineers, who say they are logical and thinking-first unemotionally, exhibiting: Anger, frustration, anxiety, exasperation, beligerence, smugness, laughter. You've almost certainly met engineers who agitatedly tell you how much they are logical, beligerently "reason" with colleagues, or gleefully put down people they regard as soft and emotio…

Well put. My uneducated guess is that people who lack emotional intelligence tend to dismiss emotions as unimportant and tend to believe they are more rational than average precisely because their low emotional intelligence makes it harder for them to understand the importance of emotions in themselves and in others.

Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by [deleted] »

nicoburns wrote: post #36
krapp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think this is a consequence of there being a female-focussed feminist movement, but not an equivalent movement focussed around male empowerment. There is an equivalent movement for males. Unfortunately it's been entirely co-opted by red-pillers and incels, and rejects feminism and its arguments categorically.

Yes. I guess I don't really consider those an equivalent, but something else entirely. While feminism is all about self-reflection and questioning traditional narratives, these movements seem to be mostly about doubling down on them.

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Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by koschei »

nicoburns wrote: post #36
krapp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think this is a consequence of there being a female-focussed feminist movement, but not an equivalent movement focussed around male empowerment. There is an equivalent movement for males. Unfortunately it's been entirely co-opted by red-pillers and incels, and rejects feminism and its arguments categorically.

Yes. I guess I don't really consider those an equivalent, but something else entirely. While feminism is all about self-reflection and questioning traditional narratives, these movements seem to be mostly about doubling down on them.

I do consider them equivalent. contemporary feminism, mainstream feminism. The feminism that gets to dictate laws or is paraded by corporations is as man hating as incels are of women. the only difference is that hating men is palatable(or at least degrees of magnitude easier to brush aside and forgive) for society.

Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by gccs »

MillenialMan wrote: post #9
enriquto wrote: post #2

I don't understand your meat noises Why is identity so important to folks? I'm attracted to some people, but I don't consider this fact any part of "my identity". Does this mean that I am lacking a basic human characteristic? Most of the language in this article sounds empty, when not foreign. It seems that I'm missing out something very important, but it really doesn't "click" for me. I guess I never moved past my c…

You're not missing anything, the point of these kinds of articles is to elevate sexual identity above other aspects of identity (like honesty, moral compass, skills) and sell that to people who feel listless. It's the commodification of identity. If you're gay, it's inevitably going to be important, but that's not the point of articles like this. It's healthy to be disinterested when it's a product.

The ultimate commodification of beauty is selling plastic surgery. No literally anyone can be a beautiful woman with a few surgeries and hormones.

Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by pseudalopex »

bradleyjg wrote: post #4

Sex coach and educator Violet Turning, 24, also points out the “fetishisation” of two women having sex or making out, specifically under the male gaze. It’s made same-sexual attraction between women more socially acceptable, albeit for the wrong reasons. Meanwhile, people seem to find notions of two men having sex far less palatable. A 2019 study that looked at attitudes toward gay men and women in 23 countries found…

A survey of Americans found only 10% more men said they would be comfortable with a bisexual partner.[1] And heterosexual men aren't more accepting of homosexuality or bisexuality generally.

[1] https://today.yougov.com/topics/relationships/articles-repor...

Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by bradleyjg »

pseudalopex wrote: post #76
bradleyjg wrote: post #4

Sex coach and educator Violet Turning, 24, also points out the “fetishisation” of two women having sex or making out, specifically under the male gaze. It’s made same-sexual attraction between women more socially acceptable, albeit for the wrong reasons. Meanwhile, people seem to find notions of two men having sex far less palatable. A 2019 study that looked at attitudes toward gay men and women in 23 countries found…

A survey of Americans found only 10% more men said they would be comfortable with a bisexual partner.[1] And heterosexual men aren't more accepting of homosexuality or bisexuality generally. [1] https://today.yougov.com/topics/relationships/articles-repor...

That’s a thousand basis points, not 10%. It’s 36% more men than women. Unfortunately they don’t have cross tabs, but given the strong falloff starting at baby boomers I wouldn’t be surprised if the differential was even larger if you limit the population to GenX and below.

Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by cyanydeez »

enriquto wrote: post #2

I don't understand your meat noises Why is identity so important to folks? I'm attracted to some people, but I don't consider this fact any part of "my identity". Does this mean that I am lacking a basic human characteristic? Most of the language in this article sounds empty, when not foreign. It seems that I'm missing out something very important, but it really doesn't "click" for me. I guess I never moved past my c…

probably cause its been so important to _other_ people.

also, science tells us that the larger a community of mammals is, the greater their visual diversity becomes.

since the internet can make you feel like your community is billions of people, the lengths people go to "identify" themxelves will be extreme.

so, yesn tubmlrizing the dragonkin with the co spiracy kin is a very nstural affair. even your "hot take" is part of a identity you are trying to create.

Re: Why more women identify as sexually fluid than men

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Post by oliwarner »

enriquto wrote: post #2

I don't understand your meat noises Why is identity so important to folks? I'm attracted to some people, but I don't consider this fact any part of "my identity". Does this mean that I am lacking a basic human characteristic? Most of the language in this article sounds empty, when not foreign. It seems that I'm missing out something very important, but it really doesn't "click" for me. I guess I never moved past my c…

The drive for community identity is a function of perceived oppression. Safety in numbers.

I don't want to rule out you being deeply abnormal, but perhaps you just feel accepted for who you are.

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