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Brave, the false sensation of privacy

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Re: Brave, the false sensation of privacy

#82
post #18

I always find it odd that we worry so much about how much our browsers are tracking us, but almost nothing about what our ISPs are doing. Every time I've looked into it, it seems much worse. As far as I can tell, ISPs are legally allowed to sell your browsing history to third parties: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/for-sale-your-pr...

I don't always find it odd, but when I do I find it odd that we worry so much about applications when the entire cell telephony networking layer is completely and unpatchably hacked.

Because you can work around that pretty easily with authenticating encryption. Even if the networking layer weren’t hacked, you should assume it was.

Re: Brave, the false sensation of privacy

#83
post #18

I always find it odd that we worry so much about how much our browsers are tracking us, but almost nothing about what our ISPs are doing. Every time I've looked into it, it seems much worse. As far as I can tell, ISPs are legally allowed to sell your browsing history to third parties: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/for-sale-your-pr...

Almost everything is SSL-secured now. There's not very much an ISP can snoop on. DNS lookups and IP addresses, I guess.

The propaganda that metadata isn't a privacy threat is one of the biggest PR wins for the surveillance economy ever.

Re: Brave, the false sensation of privacy

#84
post #19
post #13

I don't like the crypto nonsense of Brave, and while I like Firefox in theory, its performance leaves a lot to be desired and they don't seem to know who their user base is. Microsoft Edge got a decent native vertical tab solution before Firefox did! Edge! I wish some nonprofit would make a Chromium browser with sane defaults and take my donations. That's all I need.

> its performance leaves a lot to be desired I'm not sure what you're talking about; this may be the case several times in the past, but you should check again because this is a thing that constantly changes. Firefox performance today doesn't really leave a lot to be desired IMO > Microsoft Edge got a decent native vertical tab solution before Firefox did! Edge! Tree Style Tabs has been around since like… 2007?. Or d…

I often find sites with subpar performance in Firefox. I think that it's the sites' fault though, for testing only in Chrome / Safari. Reddit's redesign is an example, the loading, scrolling, post opening experience is slow and I can see that it eats a lot of CPU. In chrome it's much faster on the same machine.

Re: Brave, the false sensation of privacy

#86
post #20

I find Brave Rewards very egregious. You get lots of BAT and the marketing copy hypes it up immensely without mentioning, anywhere, that you need to provide your SSN and Driver's License to a third-party (Uphold) if you actually, you know, want to cash out. This seems particularly irritating because, let's say you set your browser to show you the max amount of ads for a while. You saved up for a few months, decided y…

I think your anger is misplaced - you should be angry at government who requires Brave (and eBay, and Etsy, and any company that is paying out money to people) to require this. If this wasn’t legally required they (and every other company) wouldn’t do it.

Is there a reason why brave has to do it but services like bing rewards doesn't? Also, AFAIK paypal allows you to do small transfers without verifying anything.

Re: Brave, the false sensation of privacy

#87
post #18

I always find it odd that we worry so much about how much our browsers are tracking us, but almost nothing about what our ISPs are doing. Every time I've looked into it, it seems much worse. As far as I can tell, ISPs are legally allowed to sell your browsing history to third parties: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/for-sale-your-pr...

I only know enough about networking to be dangerous but I am convinced Comcast is doing shady shit with my modem when I change the DNS settings to use non-Comcast servers. Every once in a while I’ll attempt to use Wireshark to try to make sense of what’s happening but I’m pretty clueless and don’t really know what I’m looking at/for. If anyone knows any good resources to learn about the ISP nuts and bolts that make i…

in other words, you've clue what's going on with your clients, but it must be Comcast because you're knowledgeable enough to know it's not you. right.

Re: Brave, the false sensation of privacy

#88

I’ve been using Brave to watch YouTube videos in incognito mode ever since 1Blocker on Safari stopped blocking YouTube ads. This article brings up some good points, and I want to support Firefox more anyway, so I need to see how Firefox handles YouTube ads.

For the past month or so, Brave on Ubuntu has been failing to block YT ads, so now I've been stuck with 2 unskippable multi-minute ads before almost every vid. I've been hitting mute and switching tabs while I wait. The most egregiously annoying one was 6 minutes of ads on an 8-minute standup comedy clip. Brave on mobile still blocks all that crap so I've transitioned to listening to YT content on my cellphone, propp…

You should try to install uBlock Origin. I've tried both Vivaldi's and Brave's adblockers but they're still ways behind what uBlock can do.

Re: Brave, the false sensation of privacy

#89
post #13

I don't like the crypto nonsense of Brave, and while I like Firefox in theory, its performance leaves a lot to be desired and they don't seem to know who their user base is. Microsoft Edge got a decent native vertical tab solution before Firefox did! Edge! I wish some nonprofit would make a Chromium browser with sane defaults and take my donations. That's all I need.

I use Firefox at home and Chrome at work. I can’t tell any difference on performance.

Re: Brave, the false sensation of privacy

#90
post #26

The people arguing that Firefox has an edge because it maintains a separate browser engine (like the writer of this article) are going to have real difficulties making their argument. Ditto the attacks on Brave for not being private enough. The people who care about privacy should be more worried about getting caught in Google's web of properties than about privacy per-se - that company is bad news. And Firefox is mo…

Firefox has had a load of conflicts of interests that people don't want to mention. For example, >90% of their funding comes from Google for being the default search engine. That means Mozilla doesn't want to upset Google too much . As a result, what have we seen? Safari has added new privacy features, that should have been obvious, before Firefox. DuckDuckGo, which Mozilla staff generally recommend, isn't the defaul…

>As a result, what have we seen? Safari has added new privacy features, that should have been obvious, before Firefox.

Firefox has added plenty of "obvious" privacy features that no other browser has. Container tabs are amazing (and incredibly useful even apart from maintaining privacy).

Where is uBlock Origin or uMatrix for Safari? They can't exist because Apple doesn't really care about the browser extension ecosystem and doesn't implement the APIs. Apple has very different priorities than Mozilla does, and that's not a dig at either of them.

Given that, I'm not sure it's a great idea to assign ulterior motivations to the delay, especially since Firefox does eventually get those features.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/02/24/mozilla-beefs-up-anti-cros...

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