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Is there anywhere that British left from and didn’t ensure an everlasting rift in the region?
Lol - this is colonialism in general right?
Not necessarily. Plenty of former colonies are not now partitioned.
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Do they need HK as long as there are no sanctions otherwise?
HK is the financial gateway between China and the Rest of the World and that's how most foreign direct investment happens. It's because HK is open to the world and also China, but ROW not really open to China. China, by 'taking over HK' really implies that HK shouldn't really enjoy fee access to world markets. This is unlikely to change though as the situation benefits everyone financial and it's not based on human r…
I thought Shanghai had a pretty large share at this point, nonconvertibility of the yuan notwithstanding.
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> These guys all pushed the situation towards a point of no return for the communists, which could have been instead worked around. It couldn't have been worked around. It doesn't work this way. There is no other way, in 2048, or in 2022, no other way around. That's the goal of Beijing. Tell us if it's something else. On other hand, if HK turns into mini-Syria, it would've mobilised way more people, even the most ine…
Well the goal of Beijing is for the party to survive, there are many solutions between murdering us all and let HK become a country. I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ? I propose to work around the party, like Macau, sing the anthem from time to time and basta, the problem can only be fixed by China as a whole, not at our level. Beijing cannot "back off" more violence, they can only double dow…
> if they're a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, that committed too many crimes to welcome honest competition,
If you back down to a mafia in need of legitimacy and survival, you support the mafia, and you become a man without honour.
Such people never returned a punch to the face, and never prevailed.
> I mean we're a city, we have no army, what do you propose ?
For the amount of money an average HK billionaire has, you can buy enough arms from Bulgaria, or Balkans to arm the whole HK population 10 times over.
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> Politically? Physically? Culturally? Morally? Currently Hong Kong is ruled by China. Many in Hong Kong might prefer something different. If the government in Beijing allowed them to, they might choose complete independence. This ignorance and arrogance actually makes strong action by the central (Chinese) government even more popular and supported by the Chinese public. Western opinion has somehow been made to beli…
Please stop with your grandstanding of what is and is not moral. China has a long imperialist history of taking over areas not culturally, ethnically, or morally a part of China. Tibet and Xinjiang are two obvious examples and the fact that it happened in the past doesn't make it better (especially when there is an active push by the PRC today to further assimilate the areas). The fact that they act like they have so…
> These were wars waged between two empires. China wasn't some sort of blameless victim
I would invite you to learn the history of the period and place because that's painful to read.
Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law
#185Myanmar coup, daily taiwan incursions, hk muzzling.
Trump really needs to get off his twitter and actually do something. Oh wait ... Sorry I know I need to be silent
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This is just utter nonsense, and I say this as someone who grew up in northern Ireland. So you think HK will be better when it's more equal?
I am not really familiar with Northern Ireland and how it relates to Hong Kong. Most of youngster in HK are quite pessimistic on their economic future. Working hours are long. Houses are very expensive, small and crowded. The strange things is most of the population don't speak English but in corporate the language are English. This make a lot of locals was overlooked in Job Promotion.
This won't change if the BJ overlords move in:
Working hours and conditions on the mainland are even worse than in HK, famously so.
If the office language gets pushed more towards Mandarin that doesn't help locals. The uneducated don't speak Beijing'r Mandarin just like they don't speak flawless RP English. They will still get overlooked, but now the their bosses will be princelings from the north instead... Yay?
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#187Perhaps Biden administration has no reaction because Apple Daily (and its boss) was very active in spreading misinformation about Hunter Biden
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-hongkong-politics-idUKKBN...
I am not sure if the president is in fact happy about the raid. One has to pay the price if good ol' Joe is pissed.
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#188Feel truly bad for Hong Kong here. Sadly nothing will be done here by the west. Let's not forget a "social justice" warrior LeBron James criticized an NBA owner for tweeting "Stand with Hong Kong" not too long ago. It's all about money in the west.
“Sadly nothing will be done here by the west.”
What concrete actions would you suggest?
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There are no actions the US, EU, Japan & Co. can collective take that will alter China's political system from the outside. It's why whenever people talk about ganging up on China, they're always extremely vague about it. That's because it's entirely bunk. Do something! What? Something! Do a thing! Which thing? The thing! It's identical to bumper stickers that (used to) say: Save Tibet, it's largely empty virtue sign…
The obvious counterweight to China is India, which has a similar population and a rapidly growing economy. However, they're several decades behind China on all fronts (economy, wealth, education, infrastructure, you name it) and with Modi at the helm and COVID continuing to wreak havoc it's entirely plausible that they go into reverse gear again.
What does exactly counterweight mean here? India herself will work with China whenever it's beneficial to them.
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I hate Xi but what exactly do you want the US to do other than a strongly worded proclamation?
Invest into manufacturing and infrastructure on US, European, African and Southern American soil. The leverage that China has is that way too many Western nations and companies have both their supply chain and the only market that is growing in China. By investing into a "Western New Belt Road" - not just in terms of infrastructure, but also in other measures like stabilization by drying out the market of drug cartel…
What are the reasons China has been so successful in taking up the role of the world's manufacturer and other developing countries haven't?