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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by sangnoir »

baby wrote: post #86
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hong Kong’s fate was sealed in 1984 when the UK agreed to return it to China. And that was when China was far weaker than now, and could have been confronted at far less cost. Instead, the West got played, transferring massive capital and know-how to China while convincing themselves that economic integration would inevitably lead to greater political freedom.

This is true. Sometimes I wonder if the UK thought HK would become a trojan horse. A symbol of good living standards and democracy. That was ignoring thousands of years of wars for unification that built China. It is built on blood and blood will continue to be shed until the whole of China is united. This is what reading books and watching movies will tell you.

> Sometimes I wonder if the UK thought HK would become a trojan horse

You may be in luck - a whole bunch of UK documents and letters from the Thatcher era were unclassified recently. You can search the archive for any mention of "Hong Kong"[1], or any other keyword of interest

1. https://www.margaretthatcher.org/search?dt=0&w=hong+kong&sea...

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by jjcc »

phyalow wrote: post #3

This is another nail in the coffin of the Hong Kong we knew and loved… I was a resident for many years, I witnessed the peaceful protests of 2014, I witnessed horrifying wanton violence in 2019, I witnessed the rapid destruction of the freest laissez faire city state in the world. Above all I feel great sadness for the people of Hong Kong. The CCP cannot tolerate any dissenting voices as a matter of preserving their…

Any idea that this happened only recently? There are already raids earlier along with other punishment. Without new provocation, this one seems totally unnecessary. A reasonable interpretation about this raid, based on the timing and some knowledge about China and CPP, would be: this is a response to G7's recent communique. But I bet not many people get the message because with some existing ideology that people usually are not aware of, casual relations among events are often ignored.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by coolspot »

jacob2484 wrote: post #9

Feel truly bad for Hong Kong here. Sadly nothing will be done here by the west. Let's not forget a "social justice" warrior LeBron James criticized an NBA owner for tweeting "Stand with Hong Kong" not too long ago. It's all about money in the west.

“So many people could have been hurt [not only] financially, but physically, emotionally, spiritually"

- LeBron James

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by riffraff »

makeitdouble wrote: post #11
typeformer wrote: post #4

This is tragic, the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses instead of solely pursuing their own business and national interests. They could all offer residency programs for the bright students and others that are currently suffocating there. China can’t punish all these countries together. If no one stands up Taiwan will be next to fall and then China would…

In the current climate if the US doesn't move nobody will (or it will just be a "look at me" gesture) Why do I think so? Because the US accumulated that unprecedented power you refer to, and Japan or GB or Canada trying anything from themselves just means they'll be pissing in the wind until the US decides to do it as well. The EU seems to me the only exception to that, but then I am not sure its majority sees a big…

The EU foreign policy needs unanimity, and some of the governments (mostly Hungary right now) will not allow it to take positions against abusive dictatorships.

So it'll be many years before the EU becomes a foreign policy power.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by stickfigure »

xwolfi wrote: post #98
jollybean wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't cry tears because of the kind of journalism, we cry tears because it was on some level journalism or at minimum freedom of expression and the clampdown means the same it will happen to you if you try that route. Anyone who contradicts Putin and gets any stickiness or popularity ends up dead. You don't have to agree with Putin's antagonists to realize why that is bad.

I contradict Xi proudly. I wouldnt tell children the police killed 2000 of them in secret, under the cover or repeating taiwanese news, to excite some sort of defensive behavior in them. If the police killed 2000 kids like this newspaper sometimes proclaimed, then all the violence the protesters used felt justified. That's why im on the fence in this case, and that s also why China is hysterical at that paper that di…

Genuinely curious, what do you tell kids about the 1989 events in Tiananmen Square?

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by jjcc »

seattle_spring wrote: post #81
hungryhobo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tell that to twitter or facebook

Was Apple Daily regularly sharing outright falsified stories?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Daily It's interesting that most people here don't read Apple Daily. Those who can read Apple Daily and know the real nature don't want to talk too much because the opinion doesn't align the majority of HNer's belief based on partial information.

It's a tabloid newspaper but more than that, it's full of hate and anger. That's its strength because there's a big market for it.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by riffraff »

jquery wrote: post #53
adventured wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no actions the US, EU, Japan & Co. can collective take that will alter China's political system from the outside. It's why whenever people talk about ganging up on China, they're always extremely vague about it. That's because it's entirely bunk. Do something! What? Something! Do a thing! Which thing? The thing! It's identical to bumper stickers that (used to) say: Save Tibet, it's largely empty virtue sign…

So what’s your big plan? Sounds like fatalism to me, and I’m not buying it. China is just the latest authoritarian government to look unstoppable from the outside just like the USSR once did. It does not have the internal agility necessary to thrive long term. Already China’s diplomatic “wolf warriors” are making fools of China on the international stage, and China is increasingly unable to pragmatically adjust. This…

> Already China’s diplomatic “wolf warriors” are making fools of China on the international stage

What do you mean by this?

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by riffraff »

BobbyJo wrote: post #52
philliphaydon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support We don’t know the support because anyone who dares to speak up is silenced. People are too scared to say they don’t like the government. The claim is that the CCP has 95% approval rating. But the local governments have a 10% approval rating. The local governments are The Central government. Nothing the local governments do is done without The Central governments…

I find the 95% figure hilarious, frankly. As if 95% of any population on the face of the planet could agree on anything, much less a population of over a billion. It being as high as it is tells me it's fake. Not fake as in falsified directly, but definitely fake in that the citizens opinions are manipulated via information control. The later makes perfect sense with the 10% figure for local governments. You can lie…

Fun trivia: in Italian journalistic vernacular an hyper majority with no dissenting voices like this is called a "Bulgarian majority", referring to the former communist rule and obviously fake data.

As much as times change, dictatorships stay the same.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by makeitdouble »

adventured wrote: post #34
makeitdouble wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the current climate if the US doesn't move nobody will (or it will just be a "look at me" gesture) Why do I think so? Because the US accumulated that unprecedented power you refer to, and Japan or GB or Canada trying anything from themselves just means they'll be pissing in the wind until the US decides to do it as well. The EU seems to me the only exception to that, but then I am not sure its majority sees a big…

There are no actions the US, EU, Japan & Co. can collective take that will alter China's political system from the outside. It's why whenever people talk about ganging up on China, they're always extremely vague about it. That's because it's entirely bunk. Do something! What? Something! Do a thing! Which thing? The thing! It's identical to bumper stickers that (used to) say: Save Tibet, it's largely empty virtue sign…

I don't know how it could go long term, but for the moment I think the US actions are not without effect.

Trump's big moves were overly relayed by the press, but I think there are deeper stances that have been continuously influencing other countries decisions.

Euro countries removing Huawei from their infrastructure for instance in not benign, and happened basically as the US shifted its weight around. The US has a history of spying on the EU, so it's not just these countries doing a "safe bet" move.

Now this is such a big subject and most of it is over my head, but I think the current tension is happening mostly because for better or worse things can change.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by slipframe »

philliphaydon wrote: post #23
dragonsh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses Countries living in glass houses cannot throw stones on others. Moreover each country has it's own flaws, so before asking others to correct each one of them needs to correct themselves (like those countries ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support and minority like in any system democratic or communi…

> ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support We don’t know the support because anyone who dares to speak up is silenced. People are too scared to say they don’t like the government. The claim is that the CCP has 95% approval rating. But the local governments have a 10% approval rating. The local governments are The Central government. Nothing the local governments do is done without The Central governments…

The proof is really in the pudding, if the CCP were as popular as they claim, they wouldn't have a rational reason to crack down on competing political parties and fair elections. They know they aren't so popular, that's why they don't allow the public to have a choice.
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