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HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by esyir »

dragonsh wrote: post #18
typeformer wrote: post #4

This is tragic, the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses instead of solely pursuing their own business and national interests. They could all offer residency programs for the bright students and others that are currently suffocating there. China can’t punish all these countries together. If no one stands up Taiwan will be next to fall and then China would…

> the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses Countries living in glass houses cannot throw stones on others. Moreover each country has it's own flaws, so before asking others to correct each one of them needs to correct themselves (like those countries ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support and minority like in any system democratic or communi…

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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by dragonsh »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #20

Hong Kong is dead, and the CCP killed it. Daily reminder that the Chinese Government should never ever be trusted. China agreed not to touch Hong Kong's system politically or economically until at least 2047. They couldn't manage even half of that, and there are now many Hong Kongers sitting in jail for the "crime" of supporting democracy in Hong Kong (not even China!), which was made illegal by the CCP under "nation…

> Hong Kong (not even China!)

Hong Kong is China since 1997 with same nationality law that's the reason its called one country and two systems. Obviously the thin layer between two system is getting thinner, because like any law, basic law can be interpreted to suite the needs of how the two systems should be.

I believe all of this is happening given China does not want to be another USSR. Hong Kong was used as a launch pad to do the same and ruling establishment learning from the past actions in cold war between US and USSR cracked down heavily using the interpretation of basic law to suite their needs. It was inevitable, just the time-line shortened due to the kind of chaos Hong Kong went through with violent protests.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by philliphaydon »

dragonsh wrote: post #18
typeformer wrote: post #4

This is tragic, the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses instead of solely pursuing their own business and national interests. They could all offer residency programs for the bright students and others that are currently suffocating there. China can’t punish all these countries together. If no one stands up Taiwan will be next to fall and then China would…

> the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses Countries living in glass houses cannot throw stones on others. Moreover each country has it's own flaws, so before asking others to correct each one of them needs to correct themselves (like those countries ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support and minority like in any system democratic or communi…

> ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support

We don’t know the support because anyone who dares to speak up is silenced. People are too scared to say they don’t like the government.

The claim is that the CCP has 95% approval rating. But the local governments have a 10% approval rating.

The local governments are The Central government. Nothing the local governments do is done without The Central governments oversight and approval. So that 95% approval isn’t real. But I sure as hell wouldn’t say I disapprove if I lived in china.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by whydoibother »

esyir wrote: post #21
dragonsh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses Countries living in glass houses cannot throw stones on others. Moreover each country has it's own flaws, so before asking others to correct each one of them needs to correct themselves (like those countries ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support and minority like in any system democratic or communi…

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>While no country is perfect, some are far more egregious than others.

America's is the worst. Perhaps China and the EU should band together to stop US hegemony and terrorism globally.

Edit: Cool, so we can say that everyone should gang up on China for dubious reasons. But using that same logic for the US gets the post flagged. Can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by hohohmm »

Well deserved. Apple Daily is not pro democrazy but pro-chaos. It routinely manufatures fake news and rumors that only matched by the mainstream fake news.

I'm all for pro democrazy. But there is a clear line between pushing a democratic agenda for the benefit of Hong Kong people and that of provoking dissidents at any opportunity possible with whatever means possible, to foster agendas by local tycoons and foreign intelligence agencies, which eventually cost Hong Kong people.

If you have never read the published paper on fostering dissidents for "academic" research in Hong Kong pease search for it.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by dcolkitt »

dragonsh wrote: post #22
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #20

Hong Kong is dead, and the CCP killed it. Daily reminder that the Chinese Government should never ever be trusted. China agreed not to touch Hong Kong's system politically or economically until at least 2047. They couldn't manage even half of that, and there are now many Hong Kongers sitting in jail for the "crime" of supporting democracy in Hong Kong (not even China!), which was made illegal by the CCP under "nation…

> Hong Kong (not even China!) Hong Kong is China since 1997 with same nationality law that's the reason its called one country and two systems. Obviously the thin layer between two system is getting thinner, because like any law, basic law can be interpreted to suite the needs of how the two systems should be. I believe all of this is happening given China does not want to be another USSR. Hong Kong was used as a lau…

China specifically agreed under the terms of the transfer to allow for Hong Kong's continued independence in domestic matters until 2047. Beijing is in flagrant violations of its international treaty obligations.

The New Territories were under a 99 year lease, but Britain was under no obligation to transfer Hong Kong Island and Kowloon back at any time for any reason. They graciously agreed to return them for China, but in exchange Beijing made explicit promises, which it's openly disregarding.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by nicwilson »

emmelaich wrote: post #19
ajkdhcb2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia has been doing raids like this for some time, they are even ahead of HK

What raids are you referring to?

This one is very recent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXtq4a8829g

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by dragonsh »

esyir wrote: post #21
dragonsh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses Countries living in glass houses cannot throw stones on others. Moreover each country has it's own flaws, so before asking others to correct each one of them needs to correct themselves (like those countries ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support and minority like in any system democratic or communi…

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> While no country is perfect, some are far more egregious than others

Many countries will fit that bill ask yourself who destroyed people in Iraq, Afganistan and who supports Saudi Arabia for suppressing dissent with impunity, whats the status of minority and their rights in many of the countries mentioned above. Who helps prosecution of Palestinians.

China has its own flaws like any other country. They are the target right now because of their relative economic success and ruling establishment enjoying majority support from its own population, which threatens some specific countries.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by ajkdhcb2 »

emmelaich wrote: post #19
ajkdhcb2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia has been doing raids like this for some time, they are even ahead of HK

What raids are you referring to?

In 2019 they raided the Australian national broadcaster's headquarters, and the home of a journalist, because of 'national security secrets' [1].

A couple of days ago, a 21 year old journalist and comedian was arrested by a counter-terrorism unit because he helped make youtube videos criticising a government official [2]. Nothing serious about national security is required anymore.

The laws in Australia are terrifying; the government has extraordinary powers that can force you to build encryption backdoors and you're not allowed to tell anyone, not even your employer. So who knows what happens that the public never hears about.

People were also arrested for making facebook posts just talking about covid protests.

[1]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-05/why-raids-on-australi...

[2]: https://www.michaelwest.com.au/tamed-estate-arrest-of-friend...

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