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Rethinking Triplebyte

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Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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I see a lot of people in the comments describe triplebyte as a “market leader” and discuss how good they are. I can’t believe how gullible everyone is especially on a startup forum. Let me spell it out to y’all, nobody pivots and changes their entire business model if they are crushing it. So the implication is that triplebyte are not crushing it. So, this probably has gone the same way as lots of other tech startups…

Fair comment. I certainly don't think of us as a market leader. LinkedIn is the market leader. Honestly, the last year has been pretty hard for us (COVID and the problems with our model that I talk about in the post). That said, I think a hiring process that puts engineers in control (no ghosting, get data on when a recruiter looks at your application, search ranking by whether companies lie to candidates) is somethi…

You want to build it, or you want to make money off it?

As CEO, you:

* Grossly expanded profiles without user permission.

* Laid off tons of staff right before the COVID lockdowns. (What has been your personal returns since April 1, 2020 by the way?)

* You have been privy to discrimination happening in client company on-sites yet did nothing to the client companies.

You’re a CFO, an investor. You’re not a CEO, and you certainly do not have my trust as a developer.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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I see a lot of people in the comments describe triplebyte as a “market leader” and discuss how good they are. I can’t believe how gullible everyone is especially on a startup forum. Let me spell it out to y’all, nobody pivots and changes their entire business model if they are crushing it. So the implication is that triplebyte are not crushing it. So, this probably has gone the same way as lots of other tech startups…

There are two categories where people pivot while crushing it:

One. The problem domain they are in is on its way out, and they've decided to defect instead of being the ones left holding the bag.

Two. They hate what they do for a living.

The first company to stop making buggy whips probably did not do it because they weren't selling any. The fact that they ceded market share to their top competitors probably sunk the barb in deeper for them: Yeah people are buying cars but our sales numbers are still going up so why should we change?

In tech we see companies all the time end up being complicit in the destruction of their own industry by reducing its relevance in some manner or other, and by exiting early they have more options of destination. If I jump to the same industry as a competitor a year later I just look like a copycat. While some copycats copy other people, only better, they are the exception to the rule. Most churn out uninspiring derivative work, and if they can't at least do it cheaper then they end up on the scrapheap of history.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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I see a lot of people in the comments describe triplebyte as a “market leader” and discuss how good they are. I can’t believe how gullible everyone is especially on a startup forum. Let me spell it out to y’all, nobody pivots and changes their entire business model if they are crushing it. So the implication is that triplebyte are not crushing it. So, this probably has gone the same way as lots of other tech startups…

Agreed, I recently used Hired and TripleByte. Hired gave me 2-3x more leads, and they were on avg much higher quality.

I remember my experience as a candidate on Hired. I pretty consistently got low-grade startup trash (think collectible art trading cards, but digital!) with lowballed comp. If Triplebyte was worse, then it's no wonder they placed so few people.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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The problem with Triplebyte IMHO is that what the originally promised, while a great idea and concept, it cannot scale. Also after interviewing with them for a role in their company I got to realize they don't know how to conduct interviews themselves. I used them two times. The first one was very early on, where I was given a home assignment and interviewed on it by Aaron himself, if I am not mistaken. The dude was…

I had a pretty bad Triplebyte experience myself.

Scheduled a practice interview and the only slot available was ~6AM my time. Nobody showed up and I wasn't informed that they wouldn't be showing up.

After reaching out about it -- they tried to tell me that my interview scored poorly, and that I would need to retry again in a few months. After some back-and-forth they realized both that it was practice interview and that the person didn't show up. So they rescheduled the practice interview.

When the interview did happen -- this was for ML stuff -- the interviewer was just no great. We spent so much time discussing the differences in terms we used -- mine largely coming from University, there's from I'm assuming their formal education -- that much of the interview was wasted. It literally came down to me deriving what we were not agreeing on for them to understand we were talking about the exact same thing.

I then had to reach out several times for my results, I'm assuming due to the fact that you're allotted one practice interview, and technically I had two(?). When I finally got my results I was again informed that my results were not good enough, and I'd need to wait to reapply. I gently informed them that it was practice interview, and the representative apologized their mistake.

When I reviewed my results... the interviewer didn't rate me too well, largely due to our differences in terminology. They also didn't like my coding style -- even though no one has ever complained to me before -- and rated the coding exercise poorly even though I was able to perform what was asked of me.

I just gave up.

Then several months later, I got an email about being TripleByte certified or whatever.

The whole thing was a really bizarre experience.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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post #80

Here's an advice. The software engineering market, at least the upper end of it, doesn't need a email forwarding proxy middleman. What it needs is a club-like organisation that acts as a negotiator that leverages insider knowledge to get unreasonable parties on both ends to sign a contract. Good devs don't really search for jobs and don't really talk to random recruiters. They get a steady stream of sales pitches fro…

Companies that are serious about finding software talent already sort of understand that and hire based on recommendation from high performers.

Hence the good ol' "We'll give you $5,000 for every engineer you refer to us...and there's no cap!"

At least good companies do this anyway.

Also, executive search recruiters kind-of do what you're describing. Exec leadership is a small-ish world, and the recruiting cycle for, say, a CTO can take months. However, there's a lot of commission on the other end of that. So recruiters basically act as brokers.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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post #141

Who was the woman that wrote about how every "innovative" engineer recruiting platform eventually devolves into LinkedIn Recruiter? Because she fucking nailed it with Triplebyte. I used Triplebyte. I really liked it. The leads were not as great or as numerous as I was hoping, and I felt like I still had to do pseudo-technical interviews anyway. Fucking COVID, man. I hope this pivot works for them.

Aline Lerner: https://blog.alinelerner.com/ive-been-an-engineer-and-a-recr...

Thank you!!!

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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I'd love to work with Triplebyte (as someone who's running a hiring process), but a while back they removed their option to work on contingency, and it's a difficult sell to fork over $X,000k for another source of engineers when it would just be one of 10 sources we already work with. Maybe I'm wrong here, but it gives me the impression that Triplebyte doesn't believe in it's ability to get candidates into jobs. If c…

The main problem we had with the contingency model is that it resulted in companies using us for a few of their "hardest" hires, rather than as a bread-and-butter part of their recruiting. For example, almost no one wants to pay a contingency fee on junior or remote hires (because they are perceived as 'easier'). This made our platform kind of suck for junior and remote engineers. The subscription model is more of a…

That business model is optimising for large customers that are probably better equipped to replace you with something in house. And leaving the long tail of smaller customers on the table.

I wanted to use triplebyte - but I only want to make 3 hires per year.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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My random Triplebyte anecdote is that I did good on the quizzes and gave a solid interview, but they declined to represent me. They were transparent about their reasoning: they saw me as somewhat of a specialist in parsing, and they didn't know how to place someone with that peculiar skillset.

Which turned out fine. I found a job where my pre-computer programming work experience was relevant, and here a couple jobs later I'm working heavily with and on parsers.

So. Count me as one engineer they rejected who doesn't hold that against them.

I'm pessimistic about this pivot though, for a couple reasons. One, it smells desperate. Recruiting is sales, and in sales, desperation is the kiss of death. I can't read that blog post without coming away with the strong sense that if this doesn't work, it's over for them. If I can see it, anyone can see it.

Two, companies aren't going to want to work with a firm that's allowing engineers to collect detailed information on douchey behaviour that the company might engage in. Does Triplebyte have the leverage and moxie to make them engage anyway? Probably not, see point one.

I wish them well, because recruiting is awful, interviewing is broken, and engineers deserve to have a better time of it given how demand-driven the market is, and likely will remain for quite some time.

Can't help thinking they'll be writing about their incredible journey within a year or two.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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I saw this change comming in the market. Every company which went IPO want to double the strength of the employees. I have a friend who got response from companies like Compaas/Affirm/Coinbase/Sofi also (Apex clearing after NSTB merger want to double it) and a lot more.

My firend cracked interview and joined one of this and for others like me have no traction (6 months in) on the resume at all after using hired/linkedin/direct careers/cold emails. Doesn't matter you have github with real projects/portfolio with good responsive design .......

If this process is broken and we also don't know what are we doing wrong then how all them are going to find all these talent they need??

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (and that score is us saying "this person deserves a job") If you're not willing to refer people to companies based on their score, how can you interpret the score as you saying "this person deserves a job"?

The difference is in the bar for forcing companies to set aside parts of their screening process. To get them to do that - as we needed to under our old model, because we didn't have a notion of "recommended but without the requirement to skip tech screens" - we needed to be making very strong recommendations.

I'm a little bemused at the notion of evaluating someone "strong tech skills, but can't pass an interview" and determining that the appropriate recommendation is "talk to this guy, but -- unlike with most of our candidates -- don't skip the tech screens". The recommendation seems like the opposite of the diagnosis.

How does the new ability to make that recommendation address the original problem?

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