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Rethinking Triplebyte

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Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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Fair comment. I certainly don't think of us as a market leader. LinkedIn is the market leader. Honestly, the last year has been pretty hard for us (COVID and the problems with our model that I talk about in the post). That said, I think a hiring process that puts engineers in control (no ghosting, get data on when a recruiter looks at your application, search ranking by whether companies lie to candidates) is somethi…

If you want to put candidates in control, build a CRM tool. When a recruiter pings me on LinkedIn or emails me, I have a URL I can send them to with an intake form. No more calls wasting my time, I can see the company/role/salary/etc. up front. The trick here is you need to figure out a business model where you don't take money from employers, because once you do its just the long slide to becoming a shittier LinkedI…

> salary

Colorado now requires job postings to include something more or less like a "reasonable salary range". It hasn't been perfect, for example there are some companies who now just restrict their online job postings to say "except Colorado" instead of adding a salary.

But as someone living in Colorado it's been nice to know the salary range up-front more often and to have confidence that I can ask them for a salary range without getting the question turned back on me: "Well, what are you looking for?"

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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tldr: they're pivoting from placement agency to job board

i'm not sure about the viability of their "search criteria" though - things like test coverage, release cadence etc are team specific, so it's hard to define it at a company-level, other than maybe small startups

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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I'm personally very excited to see this change by an industry leader! I think that there's a seismic shift waiting to happen w.r.t. engineer hiring. The "old guard" of hazing, quizzing, and gotcha-style interviews are slowly losing ground. The most friction when switching jobs is the interview process -- and the question is why? I've been writing code for a decade+ now, working on startups, for known tech companies,…

I agree, To me discovery process is broken. FANG sends email every year once you have already reached onsite. But I am trying to get into this tech companies new IPO's not FANG. I have applied to many good ones.

I have Github repo. I have my own portfolio. I have wrote flutter app deployed to play store to demonstrate I can function individually and still can write production ready code. And All the above just on my own spare time.

But every company I have applied told me my skill set doesn't aligned with them. I get response from them that there is no traction on my resume. While some friends get interview after interview and others don't.

I am not saying that I am the best but we need different process where entry is given and now show me what you can do.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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Who was the woman that wrote about how every "innovative" engineer recruiting platform eventually devolves into LinkedIn Recruiter? Because she fucking nailed it with Triplebyte. I used Triplebyte. I really liked it. The leads were not as great or as numerous as I was hoping, and I felt like I still had to do pseudo-technical interviews anyway. Fucking COVID, man. I hope this pivot works for them.

Aline Lerner: https://blog.alinelerner.com/ive-been-an-engineer-and-a-recr...

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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A school that has consistently ranked top 20 and sometimes in top 10. My major are slightly mismatched though.

Did you use platforms like Handshake or Jumpstart to apply?

No, I used Linkedin at the time.

Then I stopped bothering when it's super obvious that isn't working. Particularly, on Linkedin you could see the number of people that has applied (maybe a paid feature, i don't remember now). And for any entry level software engineering and data science position it's always in the 100s.

The one recruiter that I had contact with did more work than all of these. I've since switched jobs (to one of the FAANG) and that was through recruiter too.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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As someone who has been critical of TripleByte here on HN in the past, I appreciate the identification and acknowledgment of where things went wrong and why people were unhappy. This seems like a sincere pivot where the community was heard. Wishing TripleByte luck and success.

I can also report I haven’t received a single TripleByte email since the issue was last brought up :) Thank you for standing by that.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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> If you think about joining a dev team where no one checked if any candidate could FizzBuzz, you can imagine the workplace environment that can end up with. That sounds hilarious How could a dev team not be able to write 5 lines?

I'd believe it. I got shitlisted at one place for being the only dev with the mathematical insight to know that multiplying pesos by a dollars:yen ratio doesn't yield a correct conversion of pesos to yen. They let that one slide without fixing it, but the final straw that got me frogmarched was refactoring an if-else to a switch.

Refactor to switch?? All of those break statements are evil!!

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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I see a lot of people in the comments describe triplebyte as a “market leader” and discuss how good they are. I can’t believe how gullible everyone is especially on a startup forum. Let me spell it out to y’all, nobody pivots and changes their entire business model if they are crushing it. So the implication is that triplebyte are not crushing it. So, this probably has gone the same way as lots of other tech startups…

I think their process of 100% not working. They branded them self through advertising that they will provide constructive feedback if you don't crack their interviews so dev can improve upon shortcomings. My experience was different I never got feedback after my last round part of the reason must be they were not able scale this process up.

Re: Rethinking Triplebyte

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I did a job search at the end of 2020.

The biggest problem with engineering job searches is that they're a huge time sink. I'm a senior engineer with Google on my resume, so I don't have much trouble getting in the door or passing interviews, but the process is such a slog. If I were to take PTO for a week and cram my schedule full of job search, I could probably get 3-4 interview processes done per week. That's not a lot, considering that it's good to line up offers and that many people have limited PTO. Even if your PTO is "unlimited", it looks suspicious to be taking random days off for on-sites.

What this means is that I try to keep doing my job and schedule phone screens and recruiter calls in the gaps when I know I won't get meetings. I try not to have to block time on my work calendar for these in case someone wonders "why does Troy suddenly have so many random meetings all of the sudden". The scheduling process with companies is a pain, they ask for 2-3 time windows for the phone screen, then often take a couple days to pick one. So I have huge time blocks reserved for them that I can't give to other companies I am interviewing with. It's stressful to try to slot all this in. Add to that the fact that recruiters want to do everything over the phone (which is very unnatural for me), so I have to also schedule little interruptions for 15 minute "chats" to "check in" and prepare me for the next round. I appreciate these things but at the same time, I'd appreciate fewer of them.

When it comes to the actual interviews, some companies seem to be fine with one phone screen, some need 2-3. Sometimes they are an hour, sometimes 45 minutes. Some companies see that I work at Google and deduce that I might be competent enough to skip the phone screens entirely. I appreciate that.

It's the same with on-sites. Some are a half day, and some are more of a full day. It's not a big difference in practice because I couldn't really take a half day off from 11-3. Many companies have a "no interview day" which is great for their employees but hard to work around, particularly if it falls on "non-suspicious" PTO days like Monday or Friday. Sometimes I wish we could just do several phone screens instead to make scheduling easier.

I'm not sure how to solve this, but it's the biggest pain point by far and if someone could solve it I would absolutely use their platform. I want fewer phone calls, fewer hours of interviewing, and a clear understanding of the time commitment ahead of time.

I also wish companies would be up front about WLB so I don't waste time interviewing, only to learn they work "maybe 50-55 hours a week". That's not a "little more" than 40 guys, that's more than 6 full work days every week. You can't just ask at the outset because some people perceive that as a red flag.

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