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Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by banannaise » Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 6:32 PM UTC

Zababa wrote: post #705

banannaise wrote: post #694

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> the difference is that I can do the minimum wage job and they couldn't do mine [citation needed] A lot of low-wage work is skilled physical labor. I for one would need months to years of physical training before I would be strong enough to perform many of those jobs, and then it would take me months to years of practice before I could do them efficiently and effectively. If you were to give a day laborer the same a…

I was able to be productive in a day at McDonald's. At the joints factory, in an hour for my main task, and 5-10 minutes for the others. I think skilled physical labor (plumbing for example) is usually very well paid (I live in France so maybe that's the cause?). Do you have examples of skilled physical labor which is still minimum wage? Your argument about physical fitness and "mental" fitness makes sense though, th…

I was thinking particularly about farm work [0]. I would drop so many watermelons!

[0] https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1402444980774260739

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by TheAdamAndChe » Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 8:13 PM UTC

bluGill wrote: post #670

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Subjective measures are everything when considering quality of life.

Fine, then subjectivity I conclude they are liars. Since you don't accept objective facts you have to agree I'm right for me and we are done.

Suit yourself, but this kind of thing matters in a democracy where everyone has the capacity to influence the direction of the government.

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Post by orestarod » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 11:59 AM UTC

pope_meat wrote: post #632

j_walter wrote: post #623

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Yes it is. Kids in poor areas don't see education as they way out of being poor...how could they. They see drugs and gangs as a way to do that though. I went to a shitty school and did well and went to college (thanks to my parents pushing me to do so)...so many people couldn't fathom why I was doing that and why I wasn't going to just go get a job right away. Many of those people are still living in that same area a…

I was going to debate you further, but then I realized I don't care about poor people either, just want to appear like I do.

You don't need to "feel" something towards poor people to advocate in favour of them. It is practically impossible to really feel anything for people who are not in your very inner personal circle. But trying to help society progress and reduce inequalities is a net benefit for everyone.

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Post by jason0597 » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

traveler01 wrote: post #708

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Isn't portugal's economy growing? It's just a matter of time.

No, this economy is pretty much sinking. It was never growing, basically the pandemic threw us to levels worse than 2009. And people fear if isn't for the european money we will go bankrupt, like worse than Greece.

Yep. Greece feels exactly the same (I'm Greek). Most likely never going back there.

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Post by jason0597 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

sidlls wrote: post #153

realce wrote: post #8

Today's ethos seems to be get yours hook or crook so you can basically cash out of society.

I got mine honestly: a good ol' fashioned tech IPO. Soon as I cash out the rest of my unvested shares (next year or so), I'll definitely consider "cashing out." Why bother working for $400k - $500k per year total compensation when my investment portfolio is earning $400k or more and I have no debts?

Your point being?