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Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Mozilla needs to do something to de-dramatize what some people see as version inflation. A lot of people get anxious to see these very frequent bumps because major x releases are associated with add-ons not working, bloat, etc.

It's not just that. Having upgraded to 5 just a couple of weeks ago, I clicked the link wondering if this was a reprint of an Onion article.

I just upgraded to Firefox 6 Beta and I'm already two versions behind the news headlines!

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Mozilla needs to do something to de-dramatize what some people see as version inflation. A lot of people get anxious to see these very frequent bumps because major x releases are associated with add-ons not working, bloat, etc.

True, but on the other hand people will get used to it, just like they did with Chrome. The version number doesn't matter, all that matters is that it works. I like to see Mozilla responding. I don't know if development has speeded up, but it seems to have done. If they can keep this up without letting security slip I'll be impressed.

The difference is: Everything works with Chrome updates (plugins, configurations), everything is a mess with FF upates.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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AFAIK Firefox still uses Quartz; in fact it's now supposed to be Quartzier with less Cairo overhead.

RTFA: "Azure removes the Direct2D and Quartz (OS X) go-between and allows Firefox to write directly to the underlying 3D subsystems (Direct3D and OpenGL)."

That seems like a journalistic misunderstanding; I'm pretty sure Azure is designed to replace Cairo as the layer between Firefox and Direct2D or Quartz.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Just had a play with Firefox 8. It's certainly fast but they've copied Opera & Chrome with removing the " http:// from the URL bar. I can see the arguments for the change but this feels really wrong to me. I hope there's an about:config tweak somewhere to change it back; even if there is, it's a shame Mozilla have gone down this route.

browser.urlbar.trimURLs

I don't like the change either. It's one of the many reasons Chrome's UI is terrible. Opera actually implements it pretty well through, since when you click in the location bar the part to the left gets replaced with http://.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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20% sounds good, but unless versions 5, 6 and 7 also had 20% improvements, it would still be slower than the current version of Chrome on canvas stuff. For the relatively simple canvas rendering I'm doing, I can watch Firefox chugging along at 10fps struggling to render a few dozen filled rectangles, while Chrome is happily pegged at 60fps (via RequestAnimationFrame). It's just night and day.

Canvas on Firefox is hardware accelerated (at least on Windows), so it's really fast. I don't have Chrome installed, but I'm pretty sure it chokes on the FishIETank benchmark with 1000 fish: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/FishIETank/Def... . Firefox on the other hand easily gets 60 fps with those many fish.

Excellent example. On my system, Chrome12 will do 100 fish at 25-30 FPS, while FF5 chugs along at 7-10fps.

Neither is particularly good, but the Chrome one is at least watchable.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Canvas on Firefox is hardware accelerated (at least on Windows), so it's really fast. I don't have Chrome installed, but I'm pretty sure it chokes on the FishIETank benchmark with 1000 fish: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/FishIETank/Def... . Firefox on the other hand easily gets 60 fps with those many fish.

Excellent example. On my system, Chrome12 will do 100 fish at 25-30 FPS, while FF5 chugs along at 7-10fps. Neither is particularly good, but the Chrome one is at least watchable.

That just means your Firefox isn't benefiting from GPU acceleration. It could either be because your OS or hardware doesn't support it or because your graphics drivers are out of date.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Excellent example. On my system, Chrome12 will do 100 fish at 25-30 FPS, while FF5 chugs along at 7-10fps. Neither is particularly good, but the Chrome one is at least watchable.

That just means your Firefox isn't benefiting from GPU acceleration. It could either be because your OS or hardware doesn't support it or because your graphics drivers are out of date.

The reason why is unimportant. The end result is the same: terrible performance on Firefox, good performance on Chrome. It's not up to the end user to know or care why.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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The release number should just be the date. That way geeks can stop worrying about the number, and get back to work.

It's incredible the sound and fury generated by version numbers. Ubuntu is almost there if they would just drop the rather silly animal names and stick with 10.04, 10.10, 11.4, 11.10 et cetera. Also having such a easy to remember and unique string makes searching for support and technical questions nice.

Ubuntu's animal names make it easier to search for support and technical questions-- "maverick", "natty", and "lucid" are all much more likely to be associated with Ubuntu than numbers like 10.10.
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