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Note Taking in 2021

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Re: Note Taking in 2021

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Apple Notes user and fan here. Being able to drag and drop images to a note and annotating it is super useful to me. Also, being able to pickup writing or sketching on the iPad or iPhone works superb. Being part of the walled-garden and all. I wanted to try Bear after reading your comment. But, I don’t need yet another subscription software. If it was a one time paid app, I would have thought of it, but subscription…

There’s been a rise in notes apps inspired by Bear’s style but without a subscription, and I’ve tried a few, coming away with UpNote.app as the winner. It’s beautiful, multi-platform (Mac, iOS, Windows, Android), and has a super-responsive dev who’s already implemented a few of my suggestions. Bear development seems glacial compared to UpNote. I’m extremely happy with it! http://www.getupnote.com

It looks interesting. Ticks (almost) all my boxes of needs. Even has a 129 Kr lifetime purchase option which sounds very good.

I frequently use my Linux workstation and access my Apple Notes via the web interface for iCloud. Do you know if there is a web interface for upnote? for all those Linux users?

Re: Note Taking in 2021

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This is going to be one of those threads where everyone rattles off their own note-taking setup, which is great and all. So: There's a lot of things people tend to want from note-taking setups: easy entry, navigation and organization, wiki-like linkages, export to various formats, encryption. What I've found actually matters for my day-to-day and gets me to actually take lots of notes, though, is just (1) search and…

Bear, notes etc use undocumented databases as their source of truth, which seriously limits you and locks you in.

I use org-mode with standard unix search solutions, such as the interactive ugrep. On mobile, I use WorkingCopy (a git frontend), or my web front end (https://notes.lilf.ir/), both of which offer search. I can also use emacs via SSH, but I haven’t done that.

Org-mode is, in the end, just a better markdown with a lot of elisp extensions available. You don’t need to know everything about it to start using it. Worst case scenario, write your intended text in some format pandoc understands (e.g., markdown, html), and see how it is converted to org-mode. The IRC channel #org-mode and https://org-roam.discourse.group/ are also helpful.

Re: Note Taking in 2021

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post #6

This is going to be one of those threads where everyone rattles off their own note-taking setup, which is great and all. So: There's a lot of things people tend to want from note-taking setups: easy entry, navigation and organization, wiki-like linkages, export to various formats, encryption. What I've found actually matters for my day-to-day and gets me to actually take lots of notes, though, is just (1) search and…

Evernote was very sticky for me since 2009, but started quickly looking for alternatives once the new app was Electron-based. I tried Bear a few years ago but didn't like it. Also tried Obsidian and a few others but they were too finicky for me. Finally tried DevonThink but it was overkill for my purpose, formatting was weird and different with all the note type variations, and their pricing model killed it for me (m…

Evernote's great web clipper, great search, and text recognition in images is what has kept me as a subscriber for many years now. Their recent client changes are really not to my liking so I think I'm finally going to move on.

It's kind of a bummer for me. I kind of wish about five years ago they would have tapered off all new feature development and switched 100% into maintenance mode with a headcount of less than 40 people.

Re: Note Taking in 2021

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I believe the most important question regarding personal knowledge bases is how to make them social.

In grad school I was for a year part of a small study group. We shared notes, on paper and aloud. It made each of us far, far better at the subject than we could have been on our own. And we were at most 7 people (sometimes only 3).

When developing Hode[1], and when helping develop Semantic Synchrony[2], I imagined some kind of mind-meld utopia where superbeings would not just frolic in but also tend each others' knowledge gardens. (Brandon Toner on Twitter[3] even introduced me to a hashtag for them ... which I can't remember ...)

Reading nonlinearly is a faster way to accumulate knowledge than reading linearly. That's is why people who really care prefer newspapers to watching the news on TV. And a format that lets lots of people contribute their input can potentially convey more than a format that locks you into reading a single author. Alas, the potential for noise is higher too -- but still, this is why Wikipedia has been so wildly successful.

One might ask, "We've already got Wikipedia; what possible improvement on that do you see?" The thing about Wikipedia is it presents what the author(s) consider(s) settled knowledge. It is a place for record, not a place for debate. A good shared knowledge base would by contrast also resemble Twitter -- but more organized, more navigable.

In practice the personal knowledge bases I've seen look much more like silos. I once frolicked for an afternoon through Andy Matuschak's[4], which was quite enjoyable. But it was mostly about ... can you guess? ... how to build a knowledge base.

If someone finds a scheme that scales, I believe it could be much more powerful than what we currently call AI.

[1] https://github.com/JeffreyBenjaminBrown/hode

[2] https://github.com/synchrony/smsn/

[3] https://twitter.com/brandontoner

[4] https://notes.andymatuschak.org/Knowledge_work_should_accret...

Re: Note Taking in 2021

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Whenever one of these threads pops up I'm always surprised at the lack of responses for OneNote. For me it's pretty much perfect - it syncs with all my devices, supports the iPad pencil, supports OCR and text searching in images, has native apps, and it's free.

One small correction. OneNote is free till you expire your free OneDrive storage space. After that we need to pay for online storage.

I don't think most people around here have a problem paying for something that's valuable to them.

Re: Note Taking in 2021

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I just want something that's not an Electron app, not plain text, and not bloody markdown. I hate markdown, and I hate that it's taken over everything.

If not markdown then what's your recommendations?

The primary format is probably some type of WYSIWYG format.

Re: Note Taking in 2021

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post #6

This is going to be one of those threads where everyone rattles off their own note-taking setup, which is great and all. So: There's a lot of things people tend to want from note-taking setups: easy entry, navigation and organization, wiki-like linkages, export to various formats, encryption. What I've found actually matters for my day-to-day and gets me to actually take lots of notes, though, is just (1) search and…

Haha let me rattle on about my own note-taking setup (or indeed my own Startup) [1]... but no I won't. Instead I'd like to share a little what I've learnt from building a note-taking startup for the past three years with my co-founder – it's easily the hardest thing we've both done. Much of what you've said is concurrent with the majority of our users. Ubiquity and having your knowledge accessible at any time, on all…

Congratulations on your hard work building an app that you care about.

As a user, we are all trained to be vigilant about locking ourselves into services/companies because of circumstances. In this IT landscape, users are not just limited to Windows or Mac or iPhone. The base set of expectations have gone up, particularly when there are passable alternatives that are farther than the incumbent in features.

For a note-taking app,

MacOS App Windows App iPhone App Android App web interface (for all others including Linux users)

ought to cover it. I realise how much of work that is. But, that is the playing field when competing against apps that do different subset of the above list.

Staying away from resource hungry electron app will make me happily pay for it (just my opinion).

Re: Note Taking in 2021

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post #97

I think plain text is a pretty bad medium for note taking, at least with regards to how my brain functions. I want pictures and audio and bookmarks to websites and embed pdfs into it. I don't want to have to worry about where i'm storing the media relative to my notes files, they should just be a part of it as soon as I drop it into it. And sometimes i want to rearrange bits spatially. Dragging each part around the '…

The problem isn’t with plaintext, but with lazy development and lock-in dark patterns.

If you look at org-mode, it can do a lot of these things (perhaps even all of them on the GUI emacs), while keeping it plain-text. It, of course, needs the necessary elisp to properly display such a rich plain-text file, but things are still pretty accessible in a normal text editor.

Perhaps the best way to understand this is to see org-babel, which is more powerful than jupyter notebooks, but still uses plain text (as opposed to JSON). Databases (as the source of truth) are not a prerequisite to rich, multimedia files.

Re: Note Taking in 2021

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I did a lot of research on the topic when I started my university studies in microengineering. At the start of uni, there's a lot of money and time being spent by students to set up the "best note taking environment" to ensure their success, usually resulting in expensive iPad Pros with Apple Pencils or the Windows Surface equivilent. In the end I chose a simple piece of software for my 2012 Thinkpad: OneNote. Why? E…

"I've never used the pen mode because I don't have any device with a stylus, but I prefer text anyway for it's searchability and typing speed."

The pen mode is pretty good because it does OCR on your writing and indexes it the same as plain text. What I don't like is that it happens asynchronously. When I was testing it, I could search and find notes from yesterday, but not today.

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