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Experts Weigh in on Pentagon UFO Report

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Re: Experts Weigh in on Pentagon UFO Report

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Post by 252452d »

zozbot234 wrote: post #65
throwkeep wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I'm trying to figure out too. The narrative is the biggest change so far. Low quality videos and eye witness reports aren't exactly new. Sam Harris, who I consider trustworthy, was given a heads up about what's to come: "I got contacted by somebody who gave me a heads up with respect to all of this happening and he more or less told me listen, when this other shoe drops you’re going to be in the position…

Except that I'm not sure that there's any real mention of alien technology in the report. It's just the same old where we're seeing interesting reports about not-fully-understood optical phenomena, and people in the popular press are pattern-matching it to little green men from outer space.

Do you think that optical phenomena show up on radar?

I know what they are. They're real and they're spectacular, wait until you see one of these cylinders...

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Post by oblib »

I'm not leaping to conclude there are aliens in "tic-tacs" flying around harassing fighter jet pilots for shits and giggles but I don't think it's entirely impossible they could be controlling drones from a distance, possibly from a craft out there somewhere that's not light years away. I mean, we have a remote controlled helicopter flying around on Mars right now so that's not a leap too far to consider.

Short of our government trying to hide tech they have, which still has to be near the top of the list, or a foreign adversary having developed some sort of tech that can either fool our tech into thinking it's seeing something, or having something that actually does perform as detected, which is also a possibility, there's not a lot of other explanations.

If it's not our tech I'd have to lean towards the Chinese having developed it first. The Russians would be a very distant next guess. There's just not many other plausible earthly explanations outside of those three. I highly doubt it's any other nation or somebody in their garage deploying that tech.

Maybe Ning Li was on to something. Her and other's work in the same general field seem, at the very least, a bit more plausible now.

https://youtu.be/SuRGdnvM06M

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Post by mindcrime »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #50
mindcrime wrote: post #18

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It is typical human self-centeredness to assume we are the only sentient beings with the ability to move ourselves around a plane or beyond. I don't get the feeling that most educated people believe that "we are the only sentient beings with the ability to move ourselves around a plane or beyond". In fact, I'd wager that a significant portion, if not a majority, of such people believe that there likely is (or was, or…

It's a huge, huge leap from "Unexplainable things are happening" to "These are alien spacecraft." You can take the unexplainable part and do something useful with it - like making observations public and collecting more data. The rest is a speculative hypothesis about the data. This has always been one of the biggest problems with the reaction to these phenomena. You can't stop at "Unexplainable things are happening"…

It's a huge, huge leap from "Unexplainable things are happening" to "These are alien spacecraft."

Agreed.

You can't stop at "Unexplainable things are happening" without being told "They can't be, because interstellar travel is impossible."

Also agreed. We need to be able to divorce analysis of the actual phenomena - whatever they actually are - from one specific speculative hypothesis.

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Post by ssully »

avl999 wrote: post #55

One thing I would like to point out is that it's not just the US government that is paying attention to these things. Many countries like China[1], France[2], the UK[3] have been investigating UFOs and find them credible. I personally didn't find any of the UFO stuff believable until the US Navy/Pentagon stuff came out which is very credible. At this point it is almost undeniable that there is something strange going…

I am kind of on the same page as you. Before the Pentagon stuff came out, my adjacency to UFO's was really liking the X-Files. I casually started digging into this stuff and it's clearly a global phenomenon; but when you look at comment sections like this one, a lot of the conversation is centered on explanations centered around the United States or it's rivals (China/Russia).

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Post by throwaway879 »

Tenoke wrote: post #52
throwaway879 wrote: post #38

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Teleport? Wormhole? Advanced tech that makes them pop up in our space? I doubt it. But not sure how else we have those things caught on military radars and pilot cameras that are not always explainable by optical phenomenon related to orbital objects or natural atmospheric phenomenon.

People thought there's no explanations for all the ghost ship reports until we figured out Fata Morgana, too. The space of mundane explanations is large even if unknown.

Except, they have video footage of radar screen spotting objects flying at high speeds and disappearing into the sea. Not sure that there is any other way to explain it than acknowledge that there are physical objects that pop up randomly, move at high speeds and disappear. What you make if it is up to your imagination, but you cannot dismiss as optical illusions. Maybe this planet is capable of producing physical objects that fly at high speed and then disappear into the sea. Some kind if illusive sea creatures that pop up to say hello then disappear?

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Post by throwkeep »

zozbot234 wrote: post #65
throwkeep wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I'm trying to figure out too. The narrative is the biggest change so far. Low quality videos and eye witness reports aren't exactly new. Sam Harris, who I consider trustworthy, was given a heads up about what's to come: "I got contacted by somebody who gave me a heads up with respect to all of this happening and he more or less told me listen, when this other shoe drops you’re going to be in the position…

Except that I'm not sure that there's any real mention of alien technology in the report. It's just the same old where we're seeing interesting reports about not-fully-understood optical phenomena, and people in the popular press are pattern-matching it to little green men from outer space.

Not yet, that's apparently coming, assuming Sam is correct about his source being reliable. If that's the case, what we're seeing now is a slow rollout. Presumably to get the population comfortable with officials talking about UFOs, instead of jumping immediately from denial to confirming alien tech.

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Post by kubeflowbro »

egfx wrote: post #68
kubeflowbro wrote: post #32

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Both pilots called in the tic tac, their IR sensors picked it up, they were able to get a lock on with their onboard radar, and the ship picked it up on the their radar. They definitely ran into something

Yeah any time someone brings up the FLir argument I have to remind myself that even something that can exhibit IR can also be something that is not really there as a physical mass. What interested me is that David Fravor was specifically asked by Lex Fridman in his podcast if he thought these “objects” were projections and his answer was that he wasn’t a physicist and didn’t really know for sure but didn’t think so.…

That wouldn't explain why they could track it on radar

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Post by remir »

Tenoke wrote: post #19

Given that people (and governments/military) have believed in many phenomena that were later found to have a mundane explanation I'd expect reports like this in a world where there aren't aliens flying around. That, and it making no sense for us to only see evidence for them on earth but not when looking at space, and that there's very few objectives they can be achieving with big ships flying around here for decades…

There has been secrecy for decades regarding UFOs/UAPs flying on Earth, I think it's fair to say this secrecy extends to outer space as well.

there's very few objectives they can be achieving with big ships flying around here for decades (observation can be achieved with tiny machines, communication can be more direct etc.)

They may be doing more than just observing.

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Post by zozbot234 »

throwkeep wrote: post #76
zozbot234 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that I'm not sure that there's any real mention of alien technology in the report. It's just the same old where we're seeing interesting reports about not-fully-understood optical phenomena, and people in the popular press are pattern-matching it to little green men from outer space.

Not yet, that's apparently coming, assuming Sam is correct about his source being reliable. If that's the case, what we're seeing now is a slow rollout. Presumably to get the population comfortable with officials talking about UFOs, instead of jumping immediately from denial to confirming alien tech.

That's the point, there's always been "trusted sources" from wherever claiming that exciting disclosures were just around the corner. Like I said, it's the same old.

If anything, this official report is evidence to the contrary because what better place to start revealing this stuff if there was anything at all to it? But no, for the benefit of any exobiologists in the audience, it even goes out of its way to argue against the alien-origins theory for these phenomena.

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Post by remir »

JaggerFoo wrote: post #37

If these UFO's are travelling at super speeds and making sudden direction changes, why do we never see any effects on the atmosphere surrounding the object?

I remember a video from French TV at least a decade ago. They interviewd an ex military helicopter pilot. He mentionned they one saw one of those huge cigar shaped craft flying near them. Then the craft accelerated at an insane speed that would have, in normal circumstances, disrupted the helicopter due to air displacement.

But it was like the UAP was in its own bubble, separated from the environement.

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