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How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.

There should be a name for this type of societal organization... anyway, I have a rocketship to catch.

A blue origin one? lol

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

> The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. What does, according to you?

Something ultra-specific to this particular gatekeeping individual, I suppose.

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

This doesn’t in any way downplay your point, I just noticed this sentence and it made me think: “The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development.” It’s probably natural for most folks on HN to consider “googling problems” an obvious, basic first solution - but I’m always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the IT industry, don’t have that path in th…

Good idea, "how to search" should also be paired with filtering noise.

There's a ton of information now and it's not always intuitive to understand what information you should value and when.

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

She was at least able to make a dashboard that combined database info as well as "Trojan horse status" for active victims. In a way that worked well enough for them to scam enough people that it caught the US's attention.

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This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.

It doesn't say what these coders make. But, as with the dealers, it's likely tax free, so even "minimum wage" is better than it sounds.

yeah but considering the risks it's actually very, very bad.

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

This doesn’t in any way downplay your point, I just noticed this sentence and it made me think: “The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development.” It’s probably natural for most folks on HN to consider “googling problems” an obvious, basic first solution - but I’m always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the IT industry, don’t have that path in th…

>I wonder if there’s an opportunity to teach a “how to search” class in schools.

We did this in a public middle school around 2002-2003 with boolean searches. Was this unique to my experience or has this been a common thing for awhile?

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

This doesn’t in any way downplay your point, I just noticed this sentence and it made me think: “The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development.” It’s probably natural for most folks on HN to consider “googling problems” an obvious, basic first solution - but I’m always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the IT industry, don’t have that path in th…

Pretty sure 20% of my value as a professional web builder and resident family tech support rep is my ability or willingness to "Google" something. I'm being 100% serious - I attribute most of my tech knowledge simply to my curiosity, and willingness to search out a solution. Many people (including my own kids) are happy to A) not know or B) ask someone else (me).

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

This doesn’t in any way downplay your point, I just noticed this sentence and it made me think: “The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development.” It’s probably natural for most folks on HN to consider “googling problems” an obvious, basic first solution - but I’m always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the IT industry, don’t have that path in th…

I've realized over time that my "google a solution" instinct only kicks in while I'm dealing with tech problems.

For everything else, my brain takes some time to make that leap.

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

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