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Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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The really big unaddressed question in this post is whether Google actually does have to defend Android. After all, $10 per handset is nothing like as much as the cost of developing, maintaining and supporting your own smartphone OS. We're not talking feature phone here, this is a sizeable piece of sophisticated software that is in competition (primarily) with iOS. (Bear in mind that Apple can amortize its enormous development expense over a very large number of handsets!) I suppose you could argue that it gives MS some kind of an advantage with their OS but that rather ignores the investment MS had to make developing their OS.

I am certainly prepared to be persuaded that somehow fighting the patents in question is a life or death matter for Android but so far I haven't seen a convincing evidence that it's true.

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how would they convince stockholders? Spending $4 billion on a bid for patents where the ouctome is known versus a campaign that might work but goes against the system are very different things.

I agree. That's why I'm saying using the money to defend against infringement suits as they arise makes more sense, instead of using it to try to change the system as a whole.

I replied to the wrong comment. Totally agree with you.

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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"That is, Google could easily have gone higher with its bid: why didn't it?" ... Rich people get rich by spending wisely. Just because Google -has- money doesn't mean it should spend it on the first thing that comes along. If they didn't buy something, it's because they thought the price was too high for the value it brought to them. It's pretty simple economics.

Of course, but what I think the author meant to say, was that owning those patents should have been worth more than $4.5 billion to Google, as they are crucial to Android's success.

And deplorably, I think he's right.

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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I wonder if it would be possible to claim that patents used in this way actually violate antitrust laws.

No it wouldn't. Patents are deeply enshrined in US law and a patent holder is perfectly within their rights to pursue those infringing on their rights. In fact that is the only right they have!!

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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I propose we write an android/iphone game for that. As the android bot attacks patents. With the last boss being balmer who will throw "developers" at the little android's shield of awesomeness. It'll be mortal combat meets zelda. Who's in?

hysterical :)

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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The really big unaddressed question in this post is whether Google actually does have to defend Android. After all, $10 per handset is nothing like as much as the cost of developing, maintaining and supporting your own smartphone OS. We're not talking feature phone here, this is a sizeable piece of sophisticated software that is in competition (primarily) with iOS. (Bear in mind that Apple can amortize its enormous d…

$10 to MS, $10 to Apple, $10 to Nokia, $10 to RIM, $10 to Qualcomm, $10 to Oracle, $10 to nvidia, $10 to IBM, etc...

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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I'd like to see them take that $4bn they would've spent on Nortel patents and use it for a patent reform campaign. I'm sure that kind of money could buy a lot of votes in DC.

The fact that your last sentence is uncontroversial is really depressing. Everyone accepts that 'lobbying' is a polite word for 'bribery' and should be unacceptable in a modern democracy. We should all be on the damn streets about this.

Well, the biggest problem IMO is not lobbying itself, but the campaign contributions which often really is bribery.

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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The writer, who has indeed attacked software patents on previous occasions, omits a key step in his argument. para 3 "Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that Android infringes on anyone's patents.:" This is absolutely correct. But it doesn't mean that it doesn't either. And without examining the facts (a matter requiring a significant effort of time and effort and no small familiarity with patent law) it is imp…

Of course you can draw meaningful conclusions. Given that all popular smartphone OS market players are in cross-licensing deals or lawsuits related to patents, and that a single licensing deal can cost $10 or more per handset, you can conclude that it's too expensive for small players to enter that market (since they will have no patent portfolio to negotiate with). This means that the smartphone OS market is effecti…

"This means that the smartphone OS market is effectively closed."

So how did Apple enter it? Or Google? When 75% of the market is an exception to your rule it's time to give the rule a second look.

"too expensive for small players"

This is dreamland. Patents aside, making a competitive mobile phone is a huge capital intensive endeavor. Patents don't scare people off half as much as the world of contract manufacturing does. There's no 17 year old wunderkind in Topeka being stopped from billionaire status here.

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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post #3

I'd like to see them take that $4bn they would've spent on Nortel patents and use it for a patent reform campaign. I'm sure that kind of money could buy a lot of votes in DC.

The fact that your last sentence is uncontroversial is really depressing. Everyone accepts that 'lobbying' is a polite word for 'bribery' and should be unacceptable in a modern democracy. We should all be on the damn streets about this.

How else do you propose anyone can put an end to the software patent system?

Re: To defend Android, Google must attack software patents

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The really big unaddressed question in this post is whether Google actually does have to defend Android. After all, $10 per handset is nothing like as much as the cost of developing, maintaining and supporting your own smartphone OS. We're not talking feature phone here, this is a sizeable piece of sophisticated software that is in competition (primarily) with iOS. (Bear in mind that Apple can amortize its enormous d…

$10 to MS, $10 to Apple, $10 to Nokia, $10 to RIM, $10 to Qualcomm, $10 to Oracle, $10 to nvidia, $10 to IBM, etc...

?? I'm sorry. I don't understand your point. Could you explain it for me.
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