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Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by pjmlp »

steveklabnik wrote: post #278
pdpi wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you expand upon this? My specific concern there is that, while the compiler frontend for any one given edition becomes individually simpler, the whole compiler becomes a bit more complicated, and things like IntoIterator, which pjmlp mentioned elsewhere, imply changes across several editions. This is not a major problem when editions means {2015, 2018, 2021}, but in a world where we also have 2024, 2027, ... ed…

The Rust compiler is roughly “parse -> AST -> HIR -> MIR -> LLVM IR -> binary.” I forget exactly where editions are erased (and I’m on my phone so it’s hard to check), but for sure it’s gone by the time MIR exists, which is where things like the borrow checker operates. Edition based changes only affect the very front end of the compiler, basically. This is a necessary requirement of how editions work. For example, i…

When Rust editions reach about 5 in the wild, feel free to prove me wrong by mixing binary crates compiled with two Rust compilers, mixing three editions into the same executable.

You can also unpolitelly tell me how it will be any different from /std=language for any practical purposes.

Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by [deleted] »

larodi wrote: post #214

there's fair amount of comments here (and in other similar posts) which read like: 'nushell is basically a powershell something' 'bash/zsh is better/worse than pwsh/etcshell' this is very unfair because pwsh allows control over of the all .NET/COM+ available in a system (well, .NET Core only on non-MS, but still). while nushell stands on its own shoulders or if u like - allows control of other programs executed, but…

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Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

j1elo wrote: post #102
jupp0r wrote: post #30

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powershell for unix is ... powershell: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/instal...

Am I missing something cool by not looking into PowerShell for Linux? Anyone using it could chime in and share how it improves their workflow? What kind of tools does it bring to the table?

I used PowerShell as my main shell for a few years (before WSL existed). My experience is that it's extremely tedious having to relearn every command 'the PowerShell way' if you already know your way around standard Unix commands (and I wasn't exactly a Unix guru either). When WSL dropped I switched and haven't looked back.

The only PowerShell tool I did love was posh-git [0]. Thankfully, someone has ported it to bash/zsh as posh-git-sh [1].

[0] https://github.com/dahlbyk/posh-git

[1] https://github.com/lyze/posh-git-sh

Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by silentguy »

IshKebab wrote: post #49
yetanother-1 wrote: post #19

Very promising project that I hope it will take off and succeed. I recently switched to zsh with the addition of oh-my-zsh and I am happy how it has features like auto completion and command validation of some sort, but this could take it to the next level. I am just afraid to change to it and be disappointed about some incompatibility issues or bugs / crashes. I will observe and wait until it's quite popular to hop…

I use Oh-my-zsh too but I hate that it constantly asks me to update itself and it isn't exactly the quickest update either. Either update automatically in the background or don't tell me about updates at all. Don't constantly nag me when I start new shells!

I started using zsh with oh-my-zsh as it made me realize how powerful, ergonomic and productive my shell could be. I was annoyed by the slowness. I thought of moving to barebones zsh with the few plugins. My colleague suggested that I used prezto. I have been using prezto ever since with my preferred plugins enabled. And, I have been happy with my setup. It has all the features I need without the slowness of oh-my-zsh. I ended up getting all the features of fish shell using plugins. I didn't want to use fish because it's syntax is not compatible with bash which I have to write at work.

Give prezto a try. You might like it.

Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by basilgohar »

j1elo wrote: post #107

Thinking this is so cool! I was wondering if seriously buying into an alternate shell like this would be worth it in the long run. Would really love to read from people who use(d) an alternative shell, both success and failure stories. I cannot shake from my head the idea that buying into a non-standard shell will only work for personal projects in one's own workstation, but it won't fly too far for company work beca…

Perhaps someone already mentioned this elsewhere, but nothing forces you to use only a single shell. A shell, after all, is just a running process. Yoh can even launch it from another shell.

As a GNU screen user already, I can imaginr having one of my default windows that load when I launch screen be nushell if I was so inclined. I can keep the rest as my default (e.g., bash or htop or whatever else I wany running there).

Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by sahkopoyta »

xpe wrote: post #290
aru wrote: post #264

I use this in combination with fish shell and it's been working really well. I can just switch over to `nu` when the task merits; no need to replace my current shell. I can also just run a one-off line like this. nu -c "ls | where size > 10b"

I see the value proposition of nushell. I'm wondering if I should also try fish. May I ask if you switched to fish from zsh? What motivated your change? Background: I invested some time not too long ago to read zsh docs in detail and customize my own configuration (e.g. instead of using oh-my-zsh). Since then, I've been quite happy with zsh. That said, I'm also open to switching to fish and/or nushell based on recomm…

> what motivated your change?

didn't switch from zsh but bash, did it because wanted a bit more features at shell without additional configuration

Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

ironmagma wrote: post #284
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #267

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I'm generally supportive of the effort to replace the archaic shells that dominate the unix landscape, but unfortunately none have yet met my personal desires. It seems like a lot of the developers of these shells create them to supplement the common unix toolset, but I really want a complete replacement. Ideally, the shell itself would be a completely dependency-free static executable, with a built-in command set th…

FWIW, nushell is much more of this than it appears. While many commands share names with Unix commands, that is the only similarity for quite a few, since they are rewritten to return structured data instead of text.

From what I recall about nushell, it only scores 2/5 of my criteria.

Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by silentguy »

tomduncalf wrote: post #72

Looks pretty cool. Anecdotally, I found switching shell to be more of a challenge than expected - I’ve been using (oh-my-)zsh for years and decided to try fish, but all the little differences were too annoying for me to get used to - I guess you build up a lot of “muscle memory”! That said, I probably just use the same commands most of the time. If you were doing more advanced stuff maybe it makes more sense to inves…

I think you can achieve most of the fish features in zsh with the help of plugins. The most compelling feature of fish was history substring search. You type something, press up button and you get a command in history with that substring. I used 'history-substring-search' plugin to achieve that. There are also 'syntax-highlighting' and 'completion' plugins which bring fish shell features to zsh. I use prezto for its speed after getting annoyed by oh-my-zsh slowness.

Re: GitHub – nushell/nushell: A new type of shell

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Post by joseph8th »

rtpg wrote: post #280
joseph8th wrote: post #279

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I've been using Xonsh[0] for a couple years as my daily driver and I swear by it. I'm also a Python dev so that's part of the appeal. It's billed as the "unholy union" of Bash and Python. [0] https://xon.sh

Xonsh is also my daily driver for years and years. Combined with direnv I have really not missed much of anything from other shells. So much stuff either works out of the box or has some little hacky wrapper to handle it.

Yup. I'm a huge fan of the vox plugin approach to python and venv management. No more virtualenv hacking the shell... it's a first-class citizen. Plays nice with pyenv too
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