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Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by tsimionescu »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #78
rubatuga wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's called YouTube Premium. Think like a Netflix subscription but for YouTube. Google probably A/B tested different versions of YouTube to see which one generated more YouTube Premium subscribers. It turns out that the higher $$$-generating code (i.e. driving Premium subscriptions) is the one that bypasses Safari's adblocking engine.

Is there guaranteed no ads with Premium or do they still put ads in there? I mean some streaming services and of course the old paid cable TV did.

Guaranteed no ads injected by YT, but don't forget that already most popular YT content includes ads inside the video, as a small bit of informercial style content somewhere in the middle of the video.

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by southerntofu »

streamofdigits wrote: post #105
aerique wrote: post #97

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"Economic growth is not the solution: it is the problem." -- one single political party in the Netherlands that does not get enough votes

its the defining issue of our times and there is some of nuance: First, there is room (imho) for conventional growth in many parts of the world. Its insane that people go starving, without shelter or water while others throw away truckloads of food - because of "xyz". Then there is the branch of "personal growth" that is decoupled from material consumption. Getting every functioning brain to fully develop its faculti…

The fact that there's starving folks and throwaway-food, and more empty apartments than homeless persons, is an argument against growth... at least on a global level. In a system based on private property, where a piece of paper determines ownership and speculation determines production (instead of actual needs), production is necessarily harmful.

Anti-productivism is not about not producing anything at all, but rather admitting we can take other angles to the problem before extracting as many resources as we can and polluting as many water streams as we can just to produce more bullshit that's gonna end up in the trash soon.

That there's people starving is arguably not a bug of the capitalist system, but rather a feature. If you desire another outcome, expropriate the owners, dismantle the police and organize into autonomous communes.

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by southerntofu »

tgv wrote: post #116
aloisdg wrote: post #103

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Which one?

Partij voor de Dieren. It's a simplistic slogan, probably not meant to be taken too seriously.

Why would you say that? It sounds like classical ecologist rhetoric. Stop producing shit, stop trying to measure what cannot be measure. Just make sure everyone is housed and fed and suddenly things are better. Sounds like a better and more serious political program to me than any other political party i've heard lately. But hey i'm an anarchist so "fuck capitalism" has always been my program, it's just not what we hear from political parties usually ;)

See anti-productivism, anti-extractivism, anti-capitalism... Or as some writer once said, approximately, "Progress is the myth that says full ahead is always the right direction, ecology is the discipline that teaches us it's a complete disaster"

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by roenxi »

lordnacho wrote: post #113
streamofdigits wrote: post #90

We have gotten to the point where the simple (and arguably essential) task of individuals learning about what the economy is producing is degenerating into a societal gangrene. No, this is not all the handywork of Zuck and the "don't be evil" company. All the conditions for their "success" have been engineered in the previous decades of the adoption and scaling of TV tech: The captive population of couch potato, over…

Problem is there's a finer line between persuasion and coercion than people appreciate. Use guys with guns to sell white powder and you're a bad guy. Place chocolate at kid height at checkout and you're a business guru.

It appears to me that the line is quite thick if you want to draw it between guys with guns and chocolate on a shelf. One of those situations is pretty transparently more coercive than the other.

However, with reference to say the East India Companies, history has established that bands of guys with guns is also a path to being hailed as a business guru.

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

praptak wrote: post #88
filchermcurr wrote: post #59

On the bright side, smart speakers aren't even a little bit essential, so it's easy enough to just not buy them if this starts happening. I don't think the value proposition of an always-on device connected to a vast advertising network is very high to begin with. Throw in subliminal advertising and you'd have to be very... dedicated... to want such a device. If it succeeds even a little, though, they'll bake it into…

> a giant active noise cancelling headphone cup to sleep in This sounds like hiring big aggressive monkeys to fend off small troublesome monkeys. Edit: I mean, how do you protect from this headphone doing exactly the same thing?

Obviously, noise cancelling earbuds

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by southerntofu »

tsimionescu wrote: post #122
pdkl95 wrote: post #84

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> when ads exploit ... music https://boingboing.net/2021/06/14/facebook-asked-pink-floyds... Pink Floyd's Roger Waters: > It's a request for the rights to use my song, "Another Brick in the Wall II" in the making of a film to promote Instagram. > So it's a missive. It's a missive from Mark Zuckerberg, to me, right? Arrived this morning with an offer of a huge, huge amount of money. And the answer is, "Fuck you. No fu…

Off topic, and I realize this was not at all your point/belief, but it's quite incredible that the article is brining up this quote from Roger Waters as an example of his 'anti-semitism'...

I'm no fan of him and i'm not knowledgeable, but from a quick search the only thing antisemitic i could see from him was using on stage a pig with a david star and a dollar sign (sigh).

Not that it's ok at all, but is he known for other antisemitic displays/rhetoric? Or is fighting against Israel's apartheid and denouncing that politicians are sold to billionaires now antisemitic?

I'm really not OK with the "jews = money" trope which is a marker of far-right conspiracy theories and is growing more and more popular in the public discourse, at least here in France (especially since Dieudonné was repressed precisely for holding such bigoted views). I'm also really not OK with colonization and apartheid and the State of Israel. I'm not jewish but a lot of left-wing jews are on the same page.

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by the8472 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #127
bartread wrote: post #96

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> If it succeeds even a little, though, they'll bake it into our TVs and phones that are plugged in at night. Those are much harder for people to give up. Well, yeah, but having a TV in your bedroom isn't necessarily the best idea for quality sleep anyway so get rid of that. Then you can always plug your phone in to charge somewhere else in the house, or stick it inside a Faraday box[0] with just enough of a hole to…

The phone part assumes that you can safely sleep without the possibility of receiving alarm calls from your loved ones, which isn't true for the vast majority of people. If one of my loved ones suffers some accident over night, I want to be woken up by emergency services and be available to help.

> without the possibility

POTS

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by omginternets »

foobar33333 wrote: post #73
kleiba wrote: post #54

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Then you must like Safari more than you despise ads.

There is no alternative on ios. I choose not to watch videos on mobile over using android.

I'm using Brave on iOS as we speak...

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by omginternets »

tsimionescu wrote: post #131
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there guaranteed no ads with Premium or do they still put ads in there? I mean some streaming services and of course the old paid cable TV did.

Guaranteed no ads injected by YT, but don't forget that already most popular YT content includes ads inside the video, as a small bit of informercial style content somewhere in the middle of the video.

I remember when cable TV used to be like that...
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