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Post by catblast01 »

snarfy wrote: post #274
catblast01 wrote: post #140

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Windows ME really doesn’t belong in this list. Comparing the NT lineage to the non NT lineage is silly IMHO. ME was a successor of 98, not 2000.

Calling ME a successor to 98 isn't quite fair either, considering the amount of NT that was shoehorned into ME's code base. It really was an amalgamation of both code bases.

There was some networking shit, a few utilities and shell enhancements, what else? I don’t think much of NT was shoehorned into Me, correct me if you think otherwise.

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Post by huhtenberg »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #400
huhtenberg wrote: post #383

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I find that LTSC still sneaks in an OS update (and a reboot) every now and then, even though it is not supposed to be doing that.

No, that's as expected! LTSC still gets updated, but only for security issues—they will never change anything else. That means the updates are smaller and less frequent, and rarely break anything. Personally, this is exactly what I want. There are registry keys which will fully turn off automatic updates, if you want. I use these in Virtual Machines, since I don't boot those frequently and they're supposed to be disp…

For what it's worth one of LTSC updates dropped the display frame rate to 5 fps until the machine was rebooted and another spawned a temporary process that started eating 80% of CPU. Both happened in a span of just several months.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by fsflover »

ketzu wrote: post #440
fsflover wrote: post #340

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> I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux But did you try to use hardware designed for Linux?

No, not really. This was my work computer and I was limited to using my available hardware (so either using one monitor with linux, continue the annoying sharade or switch my OS). And it worked with windows out of the box. (I still had to configure some things on windows, but less than I usually configure with linux. Just setting up powershell properly was a bit more work as I didn't have a dotfile readily available.…

This is exactly the problem. You would also have problems if you tried to use Windows on a Mac; would you complain that it doesn't work?

I enjoy stable Linux system on a good hardware designed for Linux. Everything works out of the box, no problems with drivers or suspend. No fighting against my own computer like on Windows.

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Post by ketzu »

fsflover wrote: post #443
ketzu wrote: post #440

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No, not really. This was my work computer and I was limited to using my available hardware (so either using one monitor with linux, continue the annoying sharade or switch my OS). And it worked with windows out of the box. (I still had to configure some things on windows, but less than I usually configure with linux. Just setting up powershell properly was a bit more work as I didn't have a dotfile readily available.…

This is exactly the problem. You would also have problems if you tried to use Windows on a Mac; would you complain that it doesn't work? I enjoy stable Linux system on a good hardware designed for Linux. Everything works out of the box, no problems with drivers or suspend. No fighting against my own computer like on Windows.

I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows (and only once for linux) and rarely fought my OS based on hardware based problems. My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos).

I barely ever felt like I fight my own computer on Windows. I currently see no clear advantage for linux in any ways, adding additional requirements like specifically picking hardware for it, makes it worse, not better for me.

edit: I know people have very different experiences with various OSes, so the situation varies for everyone.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by fsflover »

ketzu wrote: post #444
fsflover wrote: post #443

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This is exactly the problem. You would also have problems if you tried to use Windows on a Mac; would you complain that it doesn't work? I enjoy stable Linux system on a good hardware designed for Linux. Everything works out of the box, no problems with drivers or suspend. No fighting against my own computer like on Windows.

I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows (and only once for linux) and rarely fought my OS based on hardware based problems. My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos). I barely ever felt like I fight my own computer on Windows. I currently see no clear advantage for linux in any…

> I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows

I think you just were not aware of that. If the device comes with Windows preinstalled, it means that it must work with Windows. It also means that no one guarantees that it will work with Linux. Linux community cannot support every possible hardware out there.

> My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos).

This is just not true. This is a myth about Linux. Yes, generally it should work almost on any hardware. But in reality, you are likely to have problems with small things like WiFi stability or suspend, due to the proprietary drivers and closed specifications. Concerning Windows, it's the same: The drivers must be written specifically for this hardware in order for it to work flawlessly.

The actual problem of Linux is the lack of retail hardware with preinstalled Linux. It's only available in a few online shops.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by ketzu »

fsflover wrote: post #445
ketzu wrote: post #444

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I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows (and only once for linux) and rarely fought my OS based on hardware based problems. My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos). I barely ever felt like I fight my own computer on Windows. I currently see no clear advantage for linux in any…

> I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows I think you just were not aware of that. If the device comes with Windows preinstalled, it means that it must work with Windows. It also means that no one guarantees that it will work with Linux. Linux community cannot support every possible hardware out there. > My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as sys…

> I think you just were not aware of that. If the device comes with Windows preinstalled, it means that it must work with Windows.

You are right in the way that I was not aware that the hardware might have been designed for windows. Most devices are probably "designed for windows" (much more likely given its dominance compared to me just being lucky when picking parts for my computers for 15-20 years) so I would have to go out of my way to get linux specific hardware for no clear gain.

In the moment of the original problem, adding a second monitor to an already running setup via DP chaining. Getting new hardware was the much less viable option compared to switching to an OS where I already own a license and which has drivers available that correclty implement the protocol.

Lastly, the originally mentioned switch to windows was motivated by a hardware problem, but it was by no means my only annoyance with linux. For me windows is closer to the way I want my OS to behave, but it is by no means perfect.

If I'll ever find myself in the situation that I want a linux computer specifically, I will keep your advice in mind to make sure to find compatible hardware! It is good to know that linux is much less flexible due to presisting bad driver support, even though it improved a lot since I first used a linux distribution.

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Post by ahelwer »

vidarh wrote: post #186
ahelwer wrote: post #31

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I've heard good things about proton. I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? How about streaming the games to an Nvidia shield on a nearby TV?

You'll want to look up the specific games you care about. It's hit and miss. Some will work fine, some won't. E.g. with respect to Epic for example, Fortnite was reported working at some point, but stopped working due to their anti-cheating solution. No idea what the current state is.

I'm not talking about games published/developed by epic, I'm talking about games purchased on the epic games store. Looking online it seems you can run & download EGS games on wine, maybe.

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Post by xxs »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #208
xxs wrote: post #44

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Totally agree and I think Windows based on Linux kernel makes no sense... yet imagine the year of the Linux desktop coming true for real?

Even if they moved to the Linux kernel, which I think is incredibly unlikely and undesirable, they would have to replace so much of the disparately developed (and quite garbage) Linux Desktop userspace that you couldn't call it Linux Desktop any more than you could say the same about Android.

...that was the joke

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Post by tomxor »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #300
tomxor wrote: post #233

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WSL is not really virtualised, it's a linux kernel translation layer for linux userland (which is why it's not actually letting you use linux at all, it's allowing you to run GNU and some linux programs). What I mean is the reverse, running win programs on Linux without virtualisation, like WINE, but official win libs. Imagine MS porting the _official_ windows libs to linux and FOSSing them so we don't have to play W…

What you're saying about WSL was true of WSL 1, but WSL 2 is a virtualized Linux kernel.

Ah, thanks, I did not realise that.

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Post by beart »

lazypenguin wrote: post #203
Jedd wrote: post #68

It's an interesting experiment to ask the average Microsoft Windows user to identify - let's say 5 things - in their current workflows, that they couldn't do in Microsoft Windows XP (or 7, etc - pick the subject's age-appropriate release). Similarly for versions of Microsoft Office products.

It's interesting that the responses you got were all dev related improvements (better line endings, WSL, hyper-v etc.) but I thought I'd try to take a stab at this from a non-power user's perspective: - Better bluetooth integration (N/A in XP? Unreliable in Win7?) - Snipping tool (Don't remember if in XP, definitely part of win7) - Improved automatic driver detection (Drivers were pretty rough in XP, okay in win7 but…

I forgot about the snipping tool. It's great.

A couple more

- Clipboard history - this is kind of a hidden feature and has to be turned on but is very helpful.

- One drive integration - this works pretty well if you do use one drive.

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