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Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by Kelteseth »

L_226 wrote: post #35
galuggus wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made fuckOff.yt to make people feel better about this. Ublock or pihole are better solutions though

FWIW I have a pihole running on my local, but my Samsung TV still shows YT ads because I cannot disable cdn.samsung.com or the TV will not work, and I think the ads are being served via this domain to my TV....

Get yourself a Nvidia shield. It has no advertisement build in and even can turn on and off the host TV. Also, I would advise you to disconnect your smart TV entirely.

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by namenotrequired »

DocTomoe wrote: post #12
ericol wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an 8 yo that _really_ wants to do videos. Just this morning, she helped her mother cook the meal, but she wanted to roleplay as if she was recording a YT video like the ones she watches. It was honestly hilarious - I was HW just across a door - but at the same time frightening when you think about how much this new media permeates our society. P.S.: Having already lost the war with my daughters from a previous…

Kids want to emulate what they see, especially in "fun" entertainment. My grandfather wanted to become a circus clown. My dad talked about western-style indigenous Americans. My He-Man/GI-Joe-drenched childhood was filled with dreams of becoming a warrior/soldier. And today the heroes of "fun" entertainment are YouTubers and Twitch streamers. The permeation you experience has been happening for a long time, only now…

And I at age 8 couldn't wait to be old enough to be a pokémaster.

That too was just a phase :)

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by johnchristopher »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #17

They are kind of doing it already e.g. I hate when ads exploit classical music for trivial purposes. Whenever I hear Libiamo ne' lieti calici now my mind instantly fills with pizza ads. And once an association is made, it doesn't go away. Ads attach themselves to positive memories like parasites. Whenever you think back to your first kiss, a nice family moment, a cherished memory of going out with friends – here they…

This is something that I had been venting about for years to anybody I met.

There's that (Coca-Cola I think) ad that ends up with teenagers watching the sunrise after a party night, they sit on a roof in what I remember could be suburban California.

The ad was in the style of All I need from Air.

These are very delicate and precious moments when you are a teenager.

But now it's Coca-cola telling people how to feel. For a whole lot of people now sitting on that roof, that communion moment with your friends, has been stolen by Coca-Cola. That's not something spontaneous and personal and intimate anymore, they stole that moment, branded it and spat it back on screens and minds. They are feeding on our souls.

It's more subtle and devilish than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlpZRK2Yfd0 which just tells you how to have fun (just a manual to fabricated happy times: be young, muscled, on a beach with one of those air canons that makes you levitate) or association to songs. It's tied to a moment in space and time, to an experience.

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Post by namenotrequired »

vkk8 wrote: post #33
fogihujy wrote: post #4

Another data point confirming that the advertising industry is actively hostile towards consumers.

Isn't it what it's supposed to be? I mean, their purpose is to persuade me do something that I otherwise wouldn't want to do (usually, to buy some product). How is this not hostile to begin with?

In a perfect world, the purpose might be something like, to inform us about things we would already want if only we knew about them.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

endominus wrote: post #40
jacquesm wrote: post #6

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Did it need any more data points? It's fairly incredible that it is legal that we are being bombarded 16 out of 24 hours per day with sponsored messages in one form or another. The only medium that is still inviolate is books.

Not so inviolate. There are a number of companies (usually high end designer brands; think Prada and jewelry) that commission authors to make books featuring their products. This has been going on for years, but I don't know the efficacy. Then again, no one really knows the efficacy of any kind of advertising.

Even Ian Fleming did a lot of product placement in his books. Though not sure if he was paid for it.

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by kzrdude »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #17

They are kind of doing it already e.g. I hate when ads exploit classical music for trivial purposes. Whenever I hear Libiamo ne' lieti calici now my mind instantly fills with pizza ads. And once an association is made, it doesn't go away. Ads attach themselves to positive memories like parasites. Whenever you think back to your first kiss, a nice family moment, a cherished memory of going out with friends – here they…

That is just a good rationale for minimizing your ad exposure overall. Don't listen to ad-filled media, block ads and try to get away from it.

All to save our mind's focus.

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Post by liminalsunset »

fluential wrote: post #32
oytis wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On an Android phone you can use NewPipe app from FDroid repository, it gives you YT without ads (and you can use it in background for free too)

You can do background play in Safari iOS by switching to desktop mode, press play, lock the phone and then click again to play from lock screen / outside safari. Alternatively friendly does also background play.

This is tangentially related, but Google has been blocking iOS native PiP mode on YouTube on iPhones on the website.

Here's a bookmarklet (you must create and edit an existing bookmark with the contents below, else you will get an error) that will pop out a YouTube video on iOS into a PiP video when run. Simply click on the Bookmarks while on the YouTube page and select it.

This allows you to play the videos in the background by swiping the PiP player off to the side.

Disclaimer I do not remember where I got it, only that it seems to work for me.

javascript:(function()%7Blet%20v%20%3D%20document.querySelector('video')%3Bv.addEventListener('webkitpresentationmodechanged'%2C%20(e)%3D%3Ee.stopPropagation()%2C%20true)%3BsetTimeout(()%3D%3Ev.webkitSetPresentationMode('picture-in-picture')%2C%203000)%3Bcompletion()%7D)()

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by kzrdude »

oytis wrote: post #23
sydthrowaway wrote: post #13

Has anyone noticed 2-3 ads per YouTube video (especially midstream)? It’s getting ridiculous. There’s got to be a stop to this madness.

On an Android phone you can use NewPipe app from FDroid repository, it gives you YT without ads (and you can use it in background for free too)

On an Android phone you can use firefox, ublock origin and youtube in the browser, too. It also supports playing in a floating window (fullscreen the video and then switch app from firefox to something else).

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by sydthrowaway »

fogihujy wrote: post #36
sydthrowaway wrote: post #13

Has anyone noticed 2-3 ads per YouTube video (especially midstream)? It’s getting ridiculous. There’s got to be a stop to this madness.

Why aren't you using an ad-blocker?

Nothing works on Safari

Re: Researchers fear a scenario in which smart speakers feed sleepers subliminal ads

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Post by hangonhn »

IvyMike wrote: post #18

Leela : Didn't you have ads in the 21st century? Fry : Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio, and in magazines, and movies, and at ball games... and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts, and bananas and written on the sky. But not in dreams, no siree.

I never appreciated Futurama when I was younger. At the time it felt like worse Simpsons but in the future. But later on I realized it’s a really good critique of our contemporary society disguised as the future looking back on us with Fry standing in for the audience. Some of the jokes are funny because they’re so biting.
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