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Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by tinyhouse »

verst wrote: post #28
paxys wrote: post #7

What does making it a public holiday mean? I assume federal government offices will be shut on that day. What about state offices? Banks, other services? Private companies?

I assume they are making it a federal holiday not unlike Columbus Day or Veterans Day. If you work in the private sector the chance you have those days off is fairly low. [Edit: I am not saying that Juneteeth won't get special treatment. See my nested commented in this thread.] State governments may or may not recognize a given federal public holiday.

I guarantee you all private companies will make it a day off.

Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

murat131 wrote: post #23

As long as slavery is still legal and well and alive and kicking in US prison system (thanks to 13th amendment) gestures like this won't mean much.

> Penal labor in the United States is explicitly allowed by the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

What are most prisoners forced to do?

Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by redis_mlc »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #15
baggy_trough wrote: post #5

"Republican legislation to limit teaching a historically accurate picture of U.S. history in public institutions has advanced in some half a dozen states." Mind-boggling propaganda.

It's a bit strange to throw this sentence in at the end--it's vague to the point of being useless and seems to throw the 50 Republican senators who didn't oppose in a generic "bad guys" light.

They're hoping you click on the link in that paragraph, which is full-on Marxist propaganda.

Also, it's not 6 states banning CRT, it's 20 states now.

(CRT is calling white children oppressors, and black children victims. Neither is accurate or helpful. CRT is derived from Marxist Critical Theory. Since the US doesn't have a class struggle, racism has been inserted to make it a racism struggle.)

Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by amznthrwaway »

baggy_trough wrote: post #5

"Republican legislation to limit teaching a historically accurate picture of U.S. history in public institutions has advanced in some half a dozen states." Mind-boggling propaganda.

If you look at a lot of southern history textbooks, they’re absolutely fucking insane.

Like, they start talking about the civil war by portraying somebody who owned 100 slaves as poor (obviously false; slaves are expensive), and talking about how they’re victimized by losing those slaves… and how the slave master will lose their job.

The textbooks today are fucking obscene propaganda.

But this is a safe space for racist shits like you, because that's how Paul Graham wants it. Paul pays Dan Gackle specifically to ensure that racist assholes like you have a Safe Space where you won't be challenged.

Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

eganist wrote: post #16

This is a good symbolic gesture, but making election day a federal holiday equivalent in standing with Christmas would have real and positive impact. But the latter never draws the votes in congress, so that should tell us how meaningless this vote truly was.

I think you really need to put your idea in perspective.

Christmas is barely the last hold out for holidays where the people who need time off to vote (retail, food service, other low wage high hour jobs) get at-least a bit of time off and that is being eaten into each year.

Do you really think a federal holiday for voting would do anything but start a whole new round of election day door busters that make it even harder for these people to vote?

A voter holiday is a waste of political capital that doesn't help the people who would need it. Pushing for the voting booths to be open all month long and to allow no justification mail in ballots are the kind of valuable reform we can push for rather than a symbolic holiday that would be ultimately worthless.

Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by nopzor »

Alex3917 wrote: post #24
eganist wrote: post #16

This is a good symbolic gesture, but making election day a federal holiday equivalent in standing with Christmas would have real and positive impact. But the latter never draws the votes in congress, so that should tell us how meaningless this vote truly was.

MLK’s birthday should be changed to Election Day. No extra day off, and everyone goes into the polls reminded of his legacy.

do you mean election day should be changed to MLK's birthday?

Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by jagger27 »

tinyhouse wrote: post #31
verst wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume they are making it a federal holiday not unlike Columbus Day or Veterans Day. If you work in the private sector the chance you have those days off is fairly low. [Edit: I am not saying that Juneteeth won't get special treatment. See my nested commented in this thread.] State governments may or may not recognize a given federal public holiday.

I guarantee you all private companies will make it a day off.

*white collar companies

Corner stores and restaurants don’t close.

Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by hairofadog »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #32
murat131 wrote: post #23

As long as slavery is still legal and well and alive and kicking in US prison system (thanks to 13th amendment) gestures like this won't mean much.

> Penal labor in the United States is explicitly allowed by the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." What are most prisoners forced to do?

If you're sincerely interested, I found the documentary "13th" to be informative and thought-provoking.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80091741

Re: Senate Unanimously Approves a Bill to Make Juneteenth a Public Holiday

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Post by Lammy »

murat131 wrote: post #23

As long as slavery is still legal and well and alive and kicking in US prison system (thanks to 13th amendment) gestures like this won't mean much.

> thanks to 13th amendment

Same with housing segregation and the Equal Credit Opportunity Act's exceptions: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1691

Just like the 13th still allows slavery for prisoners, the ECOA still allows discrimination if the person can't afford the home, incentivizing the system to make housing as expensive as possible: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OEHRENWBSHNO

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