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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by simonh »

naikrovek wrote: post #330
Erlangen wrote: post #227

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> resetting your default apps regularly This is my biggest pain points of windows 10. Why is it OK for windows to change my default image viewer everyday, with the some obscure message "there is a problem with your image viewer, we changed it to preinstalled image viewer from Windows"? Why? My image viewer is running perfectly OK, it has never crashed. I don't understand it at all.

it's because your preferred image viewer isn't doing what it's supposed to do, and windows is correctly doing what it can to make sure you're using an image viewer that works.

If it wasn’t successfully performing the functions of an image viewer, don’t you think the user would notice?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by theHIDninja »

Windows 10 LTSC is the only version of windows released in the last decade that I would consider to be a commercially viable OS. It's a shame that it's nearly impossible to install, and I have to resort to illegal software to crack it to run on my PC. I am morbidly curious to see how they screw up this Windows 11 to make it more un-useable than mainline Windows 10.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dTal »

rleigh wrote: post #193
elygre wrote: post #187

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I have never encountered a situation with forced reboots every 10 minutes. Do you have any very special hardware that might cause this?

I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

> Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes.

I have also hit this behavior and it is shocking - I gave a relative a laptop that should get 7 hours of battery life, but she was getting maybe 2 (and the laptop would get boiling hot) because the power mode defaulted to "performance". I fixed it for her when I visited but it reset itself after I left - a condition it remained in until the computer died from chronic overheating. It's scandalous.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by simonh »

naikrovek wrote: post #386
rleigh wrote: post #370

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Every major update e.g. 29H2 has reset the power settings the past couple of years. Patches don't do this, but the major updates do seem to reset a whole swath of basic settings and it's bloody infuriating.

No major release has ever done this to me. I have a desktop PC which I first installed Windows 10 on in 2015, and where I initially turned off the stupid "standby after 20 minutes of inactivity" setting, whatever it's called, and not once have I ever need to repeat that action. On that computer or any other.

It’s entirely possible the behaviour varies on different hardware/driver combinations.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dTal »

naikrovek wrote: post #341
heelix wrote: post #202

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yup - this one kills me too. I'll have multiple VMs/docker images up and running all week and discover my dev machine sitting there with a fresh login prompt. A hard, not scheduled by me, reboot is absolutely unacceptable.

here's the thing, though. microsoft has watched people in the past NEVER update their operating system for whatever reason. too much of a pain, "no need", can't deal with the outage caused by a reboot, whatever. microsoft has also been blamed quite voraciously for "insecure" operating systems allowing worms to spread, when patched systems don't even get infected. so, because MS is damned if they do, and damned if the…

Maybe they should make an OS that doesn't get pwned if you connect it to the internet when it's two weeks behind on updates. Linux and BSD machines manage it. Remote 0-days don't come by that often.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dTal »

naikrovek wrote: post #386
rleigh wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every major update e.g. 29H2 has reset the power settings the past couple of years. Patches don't do this, but the major updates do seem to reset a whole swath of basic settings and it's bloody infuriating.

No major release has ever done this to me. I have a desktop PC which I first installed Windows 10 on in 2015, and where I initially turned off the stupid "standby after 20 minutes of inactivity" setting, whatever it's called, and not once have I ever need to repeat that action. On that computer or any other.

Lucky you. I've seen it personally, look upthread.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by JeremyNT »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #113

Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...

> Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting.

You have made a strong claim of incompetence here and I would like to see you present some equally strong proof.

Note that the BBC article states:

> Mr Nadella and chief product officer Panos Panay will launch the new OS at a virtual event on 24 June, with Microsoft now facing stiff competition not just from Apple but also from Google

... which implies they have direct information about the launch of the new version.

Why would the BBC fabricate this information about the upcoming event? If you have evidence that this statement is incorrect, I encourage you to present it.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by pizza »

dantondwa wrote: post #289
volkl48 wrote: post #280

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Windows S mode is a tightly locked down mode that only allows Microsoft Store Apps to be used and only allows Microsoft Edge for a browser. It's basically making your computer like a Windows 10 edition of a Chromebook. ------ I'm all for "you shouldn't need a Microsoft account to use your computer", but if you want to you use the locked down mode that is specifically FOR tight integration with MS's services and limit…

I'm fully aware of what S mode is. A family member bought a 600€ laptop from Dell that came with Windows S. To unlock it and allow said family member to install software that is not on the Microsoft Store (which is to say, any software, really), we had to setup a Microsoft account, as otherwise it was impossible to unlock it. And by the way, I doubt it's anyone's choice to use S mode. It certainly wouldn't be mine.

It probably wouldn't be anyone's choice, but on the other hand, it's probably many people's non-choice, i.e. people who don't care about or know which OS they use

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by cuddlybacon »

simonh wrote: post #391
naikrovek wrote: post #330

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it's because your preferred image viewer isn't doing what it's supposed to do, and windows is correctly doing what it can to make sure you're using an image viewer that works.

If it wasn’t successfully performing the functions of an image viewer, don’t you think the user would notice?

It's not properly boosting usage metrics for first-party Microsoft apps!

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

huhtenberg wrote: post #383
ZeWaren wrote: post #125

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I'm glad I'm allowed to run LTSC. I've never seen a desktop OS that stable. I run it for months without reboots with a heavy usage and I never got any problems with it since I started using it in 2015.

I find that LTSC still sneaks in an OS update (and a reboot) every now and then, even though it is not supposed to be doing that.

No, that's as expected! LTSC still gets updated, but only for security issues—they will never change anything else.

That means the updates are smaller and less frequent, and rarely break anything. Personally, this is exactly what I want.

There are registry keys which will fully turn off automatic updates, if you want. I use these in Virtual Machines, since I don't boot those frequently and they're supposed to be disposable. I'm pretty sure they also work in Enterprise and Pro, btw.

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