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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tobias3 » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

rleigh wrote: post #193

elygre wrote: post #187

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I have never encountered a situation with forced reboots every 10 minutes. Do you have any very special hardware that might cause this?

I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

So this comes up every time Windows comes up. I have a "Pro" version, went into Group Policy Editor and changed updates to require user action. This setting is supported by Microsoft and persists through updates. It only updates if I tell it to update.

Is that too hard to discover? Do you use a Home edition? (Obviously if you use any unsupported registry hacks it can revert to default behaviour any time...)

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Multicomp » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

Saris wrote: post #172

rchaud wrote: post #165

I have a Win 7 laptop from 2011 that honestly runs faster than a modern desktop with twice the RAM running Win 10. Had Win 10 since 2015 and it seems to be getting slower with each update. Which flavour of Linux is closest to 'just works'? Mint?

Fedora with KDE or Gnome probably? It has fairly fast updates for their software repositories but is still stable and will just chug along without breaking things. Also historically it's very good at upgrading major OS versions without any trouble.

Fedora or Mint KDE seem to be the places where I landed as a MS recovered fanboy who loves Windows 7 & Office 2010 and detests most post 2015+ MS products due to the aforementioned user hostile features and engagement thingies.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by delaaxe » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

I installed Windows without an internet connection and it pretty much feels like Windows 7

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by mosselman » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #101

mosselman wrote: post #34

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OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

I still don't get why Apple/Google are totally fine to collect telemetry but Microsoft is somehow supposed to not do that.

Who said anything about Apple and Google? Who said it is about telemetry? Unless you mean any and all data is telemetry.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by ketzu » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #138

I like Windows as an end-user OS. Works with all my equipment. The only horribly annoying feature is the lack of borders around windows which sometimes make it very, very difficult to distinguish two overlapping windows. I am a heavy user of Linux in the back (all my servers and containers run some kind of Linux since '93) and I desperately tried to use it on the desktop but is it a big pile of crap. SO I will live i…

I feel the same way. I switched my work machine to windows after I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux and had to plug in my monitors in a specific order after booting.

Windows is by no means perfect. A bit overly provocative: With windows, if something is bad it is microsofts fault, with linux it's a user error. I don't like ads in the operating system (but I see it is hard to find a path to commercialize a consumer OS).

But I also liked windows 8.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by riffic » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

you know you could run Linux or something.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

xeromal wrote: post #129

knolan wrote: post #15

Microsoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.

I think they did that twice and both were complete flops. The first one, I think, was the Windows RT. RT had none of the cruft, but many people complained that you couldn't install random windows apps and it just couldn't take off. I think Windows 10 S might be the other but my memory is failing me.

I think in both cases the legacy was still there, just hidden from users and developers.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by bsd44 » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #262

azinman2 wrote: post #251

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> Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. That’s just not true. I wish it were but much of the real pro software you can’t get in Linux doesn’t worn.

Yes, please do not make such claims without actually knowing. Just because some games are running more or less stable, doesn't mean you can run complex software with it.

That's a very bold assumption to make.

I said "pretty much any" not "every" since we're talking about regular usage of a computer. OP didn't mention anything in particular so I suggested three alternatives. Before you start calling people out you should first define what "complex" is.

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Post by dantondwa » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

volkl48 wrote: post #280

dantondwa wrote: post #223

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I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

Windows S mode is a tightly locked down mode that only allows Microsoft Store Apps to be used and only allows Microsoft Edge for a browser. It's basically making your computer like a Windows 10 edition of a Chromebook. ------ I'm all for "you shouldn't need a Microsoft account to use your computer", but if you want to you use the locked down mode that is specifically FOR tight integration with MS's services and limit…

I'm fully aware of what S mode is. A family member bought a 600€ laptop from Dell that came with Windows S. To unlock it and allow said family member to install software that is not on the Microsoft Store (which is to say, any software, really), we had to setup a Microsoft account, as otherwise it was impossible to unlock it. And by the way, I doubt it's anyone's choice to use S mode. It certainly wouldn't be mine.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

tored wrote: post #261

dantondwa wrote: post #223

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I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

Month ago I installed Windows 10 and created a local account while connected to the internet, if I remember correctly it was hidden by 2 or 3 steps. Professional version.

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