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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

tasogare wrote: post #87
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Yep, keep underlying invisible improvements of 10 like the kernel but ditch the whole UI and revert it back to Windows 7. It was peak Windows design (second is Windows Classic UI) and change for sake of change totally ruined it.

Agreed. Whoever is working on the kernel and PowerShell at MS can stay, everyone working on Windows UX is fired. Preferably out of a cannon and into the sun.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by bserge »

pkulak wrote: post #120
swiley wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft knows it's a dead end. It's time to put Pop OS or some other "user friendly" distro on your machines.

Yup. Windows runs great in a VM for the one or two apps with no Linux equivalent. Windows is just an application runtime.

If only.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by kayson »

eric-hu wrote: post #26
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #7

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

I really wish I could get the rotating nature image on the Lock Screen without the ads. I think Google hangouts used to do this and I really enjoyed that aspect. I think Google hangouts possibly linked to Google+ photos, but they were more tasteful about it. I don’t even know what the Windows Lock Screen ads are for, but they feel in my face. Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.

Look up dynamic theme on the windows store. It grabs the daily bing images and sets your lock screen image to them but since its set to a picture there aren't any ads.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #7

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

> I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games, etc.

Maybe, but I bet it won't work for the simple reason that they'll do exactly those same things and add a few more equally stupid things too.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by underscore_ku »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

just use linux, is better

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by vidarh »

ahelwer wrote: post #31
mstipetic wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I now have PopOS and steam is running most games no problem. I’m very pleasantly surprised how well it works

I've heard good things about proton. I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? How about streaming the games to an Nvidia shield on a nearby TV?

You'll want to look up the specific games you care about. It's hit and miss. Some will work fine, some won't. E.g. with respect to Epic for example, Fortnite was reported working at some point, but stopped working due to their anti-cheating solution. No idea what the current state is.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by elygre »

cm2187 wrote: post #142
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

And OS settings scattered around multiple places (control panel vs settings), forced rebooting every 10min, resetting your default apps regularly, trying to prevent me from creating a local account, and for most of the life of windows 10 a broken start menu (locking for a long time, inconsistent search results), cortana. I am personally convinced that the windows developers all use macs and are not bothered by these…

I have never encountered a situation with forced reboots every 10 minutes. Do you have any very special hardware that might cause this?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

Jedd wrote: post #68

It's an interesting experiment to ask the average Microsoft Windows user to identify - let's say 5 things - in their current workflows, that they couldn't do in Microsoft Windows XP (or 7, etc - pick the subject's age-appropriate release). Similarly for versions of Microsoft Office products.

It's more interesting to do the same thing with MacOS X vs Windows because Windows has unfortunately been held back because an overly vocal minority is against progress.

MacOS is still the most advanced desktop environment for computing but I'm no longer convinced it will even be an option 10 years from now so I just want Microsoft to focus on replicating the best parts and throwing out the Windows cruft.

Saying this as someone who returned to Windows after a 10+ year hiatus because I needed powerful GPUs for my work.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by banana_giraffe »

jaywalk wrote: post #77
simonh wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the first problem with the Start menu is there are two of them. But for example, a user wants to look up or change something to do with the configuration. How do they go about choosing which of these to try on the right-click Start menu: System, Device Manager, Computer Management, Settings.

Press the Windows key and then start typing what you're looking for.

I'm weary of suggesting that to those I provide tech support for anymore.

For me, on my current PC, typing up to "Visu" leads to "Visual Studio 2019", but adding one more character to "Visua" leads to "Visual Studio Code", which is what I wanted in the first place most of the time. No clue what the heuristics here are, but it's not predictable to me.

More troubling: "Che" leads to Microsoft's "Check for Updates", which is pretty much what I always want, but "Chec" leads to Java's "Check for Updates", which I kinda never want.

I can no longer predict to someone I'm guiding over the phone what typing something into the start menu will do. Even for me, I'll be typing something, and finish off a few keystrokes by muscles memory before hitting enter only to have it decide I really meant something else before I notice. And I suspect whatever heuristic uses the misfire as further ammunition to get things even more wrong in the future.

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