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Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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>How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Why do you make it sound like they don't? The EU invests massive amounts in technology (in regards to its paltry investment budget, but that's another debate). One does not prevent the other. And calling regulations against clear abuse "endless bureaucracy" is insidious at best.

I believe the EU would be better off if it just deleted its technology funding apparatus and tried to rebuild something like DARPA, while focusing on procurement like the poster suggested. There is a huge amount of money available, but it's locked behind layers and layers of bureaucracy. It is a huge waste of time on both sides, for some anecdotal I'm procrastinating from an application as I type. I should be coding…

I don't see how its in anyone's interest to generate more rent-seeking giants. All these R&D statistics are bullshit as they work on tax data, which in turn clearly incentivises companies to classify every programmer or engineering salary as research. A healthy world needs more dynamic startups, not more anticompetitive giants that squeeze or buy everyone else. The US or Chinese advantage is not quality engineering or better companies, its just financial engineering and huge state or venture financing specifically intended yo generate winners.

I'm happy that the EU still bets on the small guys.

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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post #19

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>How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Why do you make it sound like they don't? The EU invests massive amounts in technology (in regards to its paltry investment budget, but that's another debate). One does not prevent the other. And calling regulations against clear abuse "endless bureaucracy" is insidious at best.

I believe the EU would be better off if it just deleted its technology funding apparatus and tried to rebuild something like DARPA, while focusing on procurement like the poster suggested. There is a huge amount of money available, but it's locked behind layers and layers of bureaucracy. It is a huge waste of time on both sides, for some anecdotal I'm procrastinating from an application as I type. I should be coding…

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Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Why do you make it sound like they don't? The EU invests massive amounts in technology (in regards to its paltry investment budget, but that's another debate). One does not prevent the other. And calling regulations against clear abuse "endless bureaucracy" is insidious at best.

> EU invests massive amounts in technology An interesting question is: what's the ROI of this investment. Anecdotally, the over the last 50 years the EU has been loosing their leadership in field after field. First to the US, then Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, now China. With the loss of the UK Arm is no longer an EU company. Have you looked into Linux commits recently [1], or where papers come from in the top CS conferenc…

Well, Arm is not a UK company much longer either: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/14/qualcomm-offers-to-invest-in...

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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London is an exercise in marketing, to see how far peoples suspension of disbelief can be stretched whilst being a net drain on a country it isn't even strictly part of, and a drain the world as a whole. It is amazing to see how Brits outside of (hell, even in) London live, the British countryside has some of the poorest areas in western Europe. Evidence marketing is effective!

>> net drain on a country it isn't even strictly part of Not quite: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_fiscal_balance

London and the City of London are different entities.

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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I wouldn't ban the company (there's no way to make that sound right). Just ban the practices they follow, which makes them unqualified to participate unless they really change that. For example, public procurement should always require software be open source as a hard dealbraker. This is actually the case in [too few] countries.

I'd be curious about an example of a country where this is at all a requirement. Sadly I think not even Estonia asks for that, they just work with great central services and APIs.

It‘s starting to happen in Germany, at least in healthcare. The Corona Warn App was open sourced (developed by SAP und Deutsche Telekom) and the server software (developed by IBM) will also be open sourced (https://www.kma-online.de/aktuelles/it-digital-health/detail...)

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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London is an exercise in marketing, to see how far peoples suspension of disbelief can be stretched whilst being a net drain on a country it isn't even strictly part of, and a drain the world as a whole. It is amazing to see how Brits outside of (hell, even in) London live, the British countryside has some of the poorest areas in western Europe. Evidence marketing is effective!

> the British countryside has some of the poorest areas in western Europe All rich countries have impovrished areas that have been left behind. > It is amazing to see how Brits outside of (hell, even in) London live, The same can be said for California, New York, Florida, Dublin, Paris, Barcelona, etc.

Swiss don't

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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The former PM of Luxembourg was also the head of the EU. They're running the dog and pony show.

It goes on everywhere. New York is the same. Ireland is an outlier in the fact that her ascendancy coincided with the US tech boom and language was an advantage. You have a very awkward situation developing and the current political leaders don't have the imagination to get out of it. The UK is an outlier because though they had a far more robust and diverse economy they threw everything into finance and have just bu…

The UK is an outlier because though they had a far more robust and diverse economy they threw everything into finance and have just burned any bridges back.

That's not really true.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06...

The financial services sector only contributes around 7% of total UK economic output.

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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I believe the EU would be better off if it just deleted its technology funding apparatus and tried to rebuild something like DARPA, while focusing on procurement like the poster suggested. There is a huge amount of money available, but it's locked behind layers and layers of bureaucracy. It is a huge waste of time on both sides, for some anecdotal I'm procrastinating from an application as I type. I should be coding…

But why is a high stock value the ultimate goal? Shouldn't the goal be producing tech that's beneficial?

Beneficial to whom?

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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You don't have to sell out to a big US company, so it's worth pausing to ask how we've reached the situation you described.

The issue is that there are a bunch of big is companies with way too much cash who can buy any potential competitor. I do not feel it matters much how they got that big. What we instead need to limit is their ability to buy competitors.

I think both are important. There is a question of what we do to prevent any successful medium-sized European business becoming a small part of some huge US business. But there is also a question of how our entire entrepreneurial sector got so broken on this side of the Atlantic that such a huge imbalance arose in the first place. If we don't address the issues that caused that to happen once, surely it will tend to happen again sooner or later.
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