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French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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It's all political and diversion of public funds (if that's the correct English term, I edited "money laundering" out). Qwant should be dead, it is said most of its index is served by Bing anyway (they used to hide it for years and lie about their own indexing stats).

> Qwant should be dead, it is said most of its index is served by Bing anyway. Almost all search engines apart from Google use the Bing Index, including DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, Excite, Lycos, and Yahoo! Search. [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines

This might be of use to you also: https://searchenginemap.com/

Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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In my desperate quest for a Google alternative, I've given Qwant a try, some time ago. In the end, it was the usual soup: Bing search results with a different brand. Not only that, but Qwant's UI was confusing and ugly. If France's search engine has to be an ugly Bing clone, than it might as well die. At least DuckDuckGo has a very nice interface.

I've started using Brave Search (invite only, for now) and I have to say I'm impressed. In general, I'm no Brave fan, as I am not sold on their BAT cryptocurrency and I do not want to use yet another Chromium browser, but I have to say that Brave Search (used with Firefox) has been a pleasant experience. The results are surprisingly accurate, even when looking for more technical things (an area where DuckDuckGo failed miserably, for me). Hopefully a new true alternative to Google and Bing will arise from it.

Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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I remember trying Qwant a few years ago and I wasn't really happy with it, both for search results and UI/UX. Staying with a Google search alternative, I went with DuckDuckGo and didn't look back (especially with access to g! to easily search on Google if ddg fails to dig up what I want)

Qwant does support !g etc if you end up needing it.

Is there any reason to use Qwant over DDG, aside from a Francophone focus?

Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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In my desperate quest for a Google alternative, I've given Qwant a try, some time ago. In the end, it was the usual soup: Bing search results with a different brand. Not only that, but Qwant's UI was confusing and ugly. If France's search engine has to be an ugly Bing clone, than it might as well die. At least DuckDuckGo has a very nice interface. I've started using Brave Search (invite only, for now) and I have to s…

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Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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It's disturbing that an alternative to Google is struggling. We need alternatives and even if Qwant is mostly Bing, it's still another choice.

The article is, I guess, based on a leak from a disgruntled person; or persons. They are most probably, and thus justifiably, concerned about the longer term strategy of Huawei here; a not untypical Chinese tactic at play here. Perhaps it's an Axel-Springer board member; especially as they own the publisher. It might be a call for another more palatable, to them, savior.

Their efforts to develop their own index would offer a real alternative and this is important for society and the economy. This article [0] dicusses those struggles saying “The technology developed worked super well on a few million indexed pages, but needed to be modified to operate on a larger scale,”. Certainly building an index for billions of pages and which operates fast is a big challenge we had to get over. There are many choices to make when designing, developing and deploying each of the three elements of a crawler, index and ranking engine. And those choices lead to big differences in SERPs: differences that are very distinct compared with what is offered between a search "engine" company and any of their syndication partners.

Self-disclosure: CEO of a search engine company

[0] http://www.wedemain.fr/dechiffrer/qwant-le-flop-de-lanti-goo...

Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Qwant does support !g etc if you end up needing it.

Is there any reason to use Qwant over DDG, aside from a Francophone focus?

Not American and thus not subject to us intelligence surveillance.

Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all political and diversion of public funds (if that's the correct English term, I edited "money laundering" out). Qwant should be dead, it is said most of its index is served by Bing anyway (they used to hide it for years and lie about their own indexing stats).

Can you substantiate these (seemingly bizarre) claims of money laundering?

France has invested a lot of money into this company. And it was approved to become the official search engine on many state administration's computers, even after an audit revealed the terrible quality of their product. Things are a bit shady around Qwant, and this is ground for all kind of suspicions (not that I'm endorsing any).

Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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It's disturbing that an alternative to Google is struggling. We need alternatives and even if Qwant is mostly Bing, it's still another choice. The article is, I guess, based on a leak from a disgruntled person; or persons. They are most probably, and thus justifiably, concerned about the longer term strategy of Huawei here; a not untypical Chinese tactic at play here. Perhaps it's an Axel-Springer board member; espec…

What is Huawei’s strategy here? Other than they need a non US search engine for their European audience.

Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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It's disturbing that an alternative to Google is struggling. We need alternatives and even if Qwant is mostly Bing, it's still another choice. The article is, I guess, based on a leak from a disgruntled person; or persons. They are most probably, and thus justifiably, concerned about the longer term strategy of Huawei here; a not untypical Chinese tactic at play here. Perhaps it's an Axel-Springer board member; espec…

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Re: French search firm Qwant seeks €8M Huawei bailout loan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any reason to use Qwant over DDG, aside from a Francophone focus?

Not American and thus not subject to us intelligence surveillance.

Isn't it vice-versa? It's hard from a legal point of view to spy on one of your own, but it's easier to do it on a foreign entity?

> During the 2013 NSA leaks Internet spying scandal, the surveillance agencies of the "Five Eyes" have been accused of intentionally spying on one another's citizens and willingly sharing the collected information with each other, allegedly circumventing laws preventing each agency from spying on its own citizens.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#Controversy

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