Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life • Hacker News Board

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by optimiz3 » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:56 PM UTC

For those that don't read, this is a global population survey, not an American one.

If you're American, surprise - you're much more likely to believe work pays off.

Won't stop the parade of people with unsubstantiated statements about how much society sucks despite the frankly marvelous QoL advances over the past several hundred years.

Also, total sample size is 500. Globally.

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by x1ph0z » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:56 PM UTC

cousin_it wrote: post #17

hawk_ wrote: post #4

There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…

> The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. Which of these was responsible for China's rise from poverty?

Cheap labour?

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by freefal » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

x1ph0z wrote: post #22

cousin_it wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. Which of these was responsible for China's rise from poverty?

Cheap labour?

Imported from where?

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by mapcars » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

I think it's good news, living happily and freely is possible independently of our job occupation. Also if one is first happy and lives a good life then they will do that they really care for and do it good.

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by wishigotitfree » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

Starting conditions (where one was born, levels of wealth and opportunity there, one's parents' education and jobs) are shockingly predictive about an individual's future. Hard work leading to social mobility has always been the exception, not the rule. Most will not beat the odds since if they did, those wouldn't BE the odds. A lot of us are just so deluded by survivorship bias borne of listening only to success stories, but it seems more and more people are seeing through the illusion. In my opinion, that's a good thing, as recognizing the true state of things is the first step to improving them, and this combination of consciousness and lived experience can prove to be potent immunization against bad faith actors who want to maintain the illusion of widespread social mobility.

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by j-pb » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

cousin_it wrote: post #17

hawk_ wrote: post #4

There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…

> The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. Which of these was responsible for China's rise from poverty?

All of the above.

- Chinese sweatshops

- Chinese "investments" in africa

- Chinese anexation of surrounding territories

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by adwww » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

fleischhauf wrote: post #12

hawk_ wrote: post #4

There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…

Looking forward to the next opportunity by exploiting robots

Unfortunately I can see that only benefiting a tiny minority of owners, and even less to go around the workers.

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by lr4444lr » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

The most alarming thing to me in this report[1] is that a clear majority (> 60%) distrust technology and/or the government's ability to understand and manage it for our safety. That sort of sentiment is what can power through a destructive clamp down on big tech in the U.S. from ill-informed legislators.

[1] https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/files/aatuss191/files/2020-0...

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by belatw » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:57 PM UTC

cousin_it wrote: post #17

hawk_ wrote: post #4

There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…

> The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. Which of these was responsible for China's rise from poverty?

Slavery?

Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life

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Post by etempleton » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 12:58 PM UTC

One trend I have noticed is a grass is always greener hiring mentality at a lot of companies. That is, looking external for new hires versus promoting from within. This forces folks to jump around for career progression. And those that are not as willing to jump around feeling discouraged that no matter how hard they work they will likely be overlooked for someone from the outside. To this end hard work is discouraged over networking and willingness to disrupt your life.