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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tapoxi »

swiley wrote: post #22
tapoxi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? The Linux kernel is GPL and that move would anger a lot of Windows driver developers who need to support a shim or release their source.

Their newest tablet already ships with Android and not windows (which uses Linux in all its GPL goodness.) I wouldn't be surprised if they just started shipping Android with some wine-like backwards compatibility environment. It sounds crappy but have you used Windows lately? You can tell that they know it's a dead end.

Isn't Google looking to replace Android with Fuchsia?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by hatch_q »

duttaditya18 wrote: post #16
SteveNuts wrote: post #2

I have a strange feeling that the next version will be based on Linux kernel

Microsoft would never make the base of their system open source. It is fundamentally opposite to how Microsoft does business.

It wouldn't need to be open source. They would make closed-source distro with custom kernel modules and packages.

Just like MacOS.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by samsa »

ahelwer wrote: post #19
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #7

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

I've especially not enjoyed Windows occasionally hijacking the post-login screen to try to convince me to enable Cortana or whatever. The most frustrating thing is the only options when presented with the window were "Continue" or "Remind in 3 Days", rather than "Fuck Off". This abuse of user agency & consent is disgusting and ubiquitous in big tech. Video games are the only thing keeping me on windows, plus last tim…

MacOS does this with “enable Siri” after every update and annoys me to no end.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by krylon »

philliphaydon wrote: post #28
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

As much as I dislike Windows in general, the NT based Windows systems have been very stable for a very long time. I once saw a server running NT 4.0 with 6 years uptime.

I don't know about Vista, but in my experience both XP and 7 have been very stable as long the hardware was reliable and no messy device drivers were in use (which includes AV software).

That being said, Windows 10 did a few things I liked, too.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Karellen »

knolan wrote: post #15

Microsoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.

What do you mean by "a completely new OS"?

Do you think the kernel needs to be re-written from scratch? Yeah, the current one has issues, but that seems like an unnecessarily large undertaking, and one that is also not likely to produce bug-free code. I'd have thought some kind of testing/fuzzing/formal analysis would be a better approach.

Do you think the Win32/WPF/whatever APIs need to be thrown out and some other way of interacting with the core OS services be put in place (e.g. porting the GTKx.y/Glib API?) with some kind of shim for backwards-compatibility?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by kathoum »

mosselman wrote: post #34
philliphaydon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

This.

I switched from 7 to 10 when it was offered. I stayed with 10 for about one year, and I liked it thanks to all the fixes and improvements and despite the occasional quirk.

But after one year, I realized my computer didn't feel like it was mine anymore. I jumped to linux and never went back.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by swiley »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Microsoft knows it's a dead end. It's time to put Pop OS or some other "user friendly" distro on your machines.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Jedd »

It's an interesting experiment to ask the average Microsoft Windows user to identify - let's say 5 things - in their current workflows, that they couldn't do in Microsoft Windows XP (or 7, etc - pick the subject's age-appropriate release).

Similarly for versions of Microsoft Office products.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by rightbyte »

tyingq wrote: post #11
rightbyte wrote: post #3

"a more modern look and a redesigned Start menu" Oh please no. Hopefully the new OS will lead to less updates for Windows 10 being force pushed to my computer.

It's not clear where the reporter got the "redesigned start menu" idea from. Reads like it's just their personal guess. I'm also not clear on why the Win10 start menu got so much hate. I delete all the tiles and it then seems not much different than prior start menus.

You can't have a folder structure like in Xp (and 7?). Or decide where stuff should be and in what order. Also MS push crappy game adds there as shortcuts which look like they are allready installed.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by usrusr »

tyingq wrote: post #11
rightbyte wrote: post #3

"a more modern look and a redesigned Start menu" Oh please no. Hopefully the new OS will lead to less updates for Windows 10 being force pushed to my computer.

It's not clear where the reporter got the "redesigned start menu" idea from. Reads like it's just their personal guess. I'm also not clear on why the Win10 start menu got so much hate. I delete all the tiles and it then seems not much different than prior start menus.

In the author's defense, when a new major release of Windows is announced, assuming that this time it might happen without yet another not asked for start menu reshuffle would be quite the dark horse bet.
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