Hard work doesn't imply productivity or progress.
This is the important distinction. Achieving things efficiently is the only winning play.
Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
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Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#12There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…
Looking forward to the next opportunity by exploiting robots
Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#13There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…
> it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. I think it was actually true in the USA around the time of the oil age. I think this because back then, it seems, you'd poke a hole in the ground and oil would spill out. Oil so good that it has all been extracted already; and such an oil is as close as we've gotten to free energy.
Pretty sure there was/is a TON of exploitation in the crude oil industry
Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#14There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…
> it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour
You're undermining your own argument. Those things, collectively, were the norm for most of human history, not that "short window of time", so something else must have happened that made people optimistic about hard work yielding the fruits of a better life (however you want to define that).
Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#15There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…
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Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#16These results are not ergodic.
ensemble average != time-series average.
In order to make this claim you need to follow the same people and survey them throughout their lives, as opposed to a group snapshot in time.
Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#17There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…
> The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour.
Which of these was responsible for China's rise from poverty?
Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#18So we have this sentiment, how long will it take to be reflected in business schools, those leading these companies? We need at least boomers and Gen Xers to die off since they were instilled with the old way of go-into-the-place-and-give-a-firm-handshake bullshit. Are we looking at potentially decades before we seriously start making tangible changes with our relationships with work?
Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#19There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…
> it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour You're undermining your own argument. Those things, collectively, were the norm for most of human history, not that "short window of time", so something else must have happened that made people optimistic about hard work yielding the fruits of a better life (however you want to define that).
If you were living in the west at that time it was true for you, not for the slaves toiling it away in the colonies. America's trading partners wealth was all built upon that. Plenty of America's own wealth was built upon slavery, even after slavery was technically outlawed.
Re: Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will lead to a better life
#20There was a short window of time (anthropological scale) in the western world where this was seemingly true. The American conservative propaganda latched onto it and tricked people into thinking it was true. The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. It was someone else's hard work that w…
> it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour. I think it was actually true in the USA around the time of the oil age. I think this because back then, it seems, you'd poke a hole in the ground and oil would spill out. Oil so good that it has all been extracted already; and such an oil is as close as we've gotten to free energy.
Not just oil but generally vast natural resources ready to be tapped.