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Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by Barrin92 »

nivenkos wrote: post #6

How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Ban Oracle and Microsoft from public procurement and start supporting the European equivalent of Baidu or Yandex. With ARM (prior to the acquisition), Linux, MariaDB, etc. - Europe was in a great position to do this. We need to stop this digital colonialism where massive, monopolistic US corporations pay no taxes in E…

I don't want to replace Facebook's panopticon data collection with a European one in the name of European nationalism, I just want companies to respect user privacy, I don't want to adopt Russian or Chinese style surveillance state-capitalism to do.. what exactly?

America, Russia and China are heading head first into cyberpunk dystopia and your suggestion is we better hurry up because we're currently being stopped by 'endless bureaucracy'? I'm gonna be honest I'd rather take the bureaucracy than play that game

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by simfoo »

nivenkos wrote: post #6

How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Ban Oracle and Microsoft from public procurement and start supporting the European equivalent of Baidu or Yandex. With ARM (prior to the acquisition), Linux, MariaDB, etc. - Europe was in a great position to do this. We need to stop this digital colonialism where massive, monopolistic US corporations pay no taxes in E…

>How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy?

How about doing both the first while also ensuring that european law is actually being followed? So far US monopolists have relied on being in bed with Irish lawmakers to avoid the GDPR fines.

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by tremon »

s_dev wrote: post #13
streamofdigits wrote: post #2

What is it with the British Isles and their "job specialization" in arbitraging / milking the economy of continental Europe? From the financial rent seeking of London, to the tax and privacy regulatory arbitrages of Ireland the same pattern of exploiting arbitrarily erected information walls to evade scrutiny and accountability. Of course this is a tango that takes three to dance...

>What is it with the British Isles It's not a British Isle -- it's an Irish one. Great Britain refers to the main island composing England, Scotland and Wales. The Irish isle of Ireland is composed of the two Irelands (Ireland and Northern Ireland). The 'British Isles' term is disputed by many Irish people. The reason it's not a geographic term is because it's not a river -- Britain is a geopolitical entity not a pur…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles

> The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Hebrides and over six thousand smaller islands. [They] include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by LightG »

nivenkos wrote: post #6

How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Ban Oracle and Microsoft from public procurement and start supporting the European equivalent of Baidu or Yandex. With ARM (prior to the acquisition), Linux, MariaDB, etc. - Europe was in a great position to do this. We need to stop this digital colonialism where massive, monopolistic US corporations pay no taxes in E…

Whether Facebook comes from the EU or the US, the same data issues would arise. Hence, regulation.

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by YorkshireSeason »

axlee wrote: post #19
nivenkos wrote: post #6

How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Ban Oracle and Microsoft from public procurement and start supporting the European equivalent of Baidu or Yandex. With ARM (prior to the acquisition), Linux, MariaDB, etc. - Europe was in a great position to do this. We need to stop this digital colonialism where massive, monopolistic US corporations pay no taxes in E…

>How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Why do you make it sound like they don't? The EU invests massive amounts in technology (in regards to its paltry investment budget, but that's another debate). One does not prevent the other. And calling regulations against clear abuse "endless bureaucracy" is insidious at best.

> EU invests massive amounts in technology

An interesting question is: what's the ROI of this investment. Anecdotally, the over the last 50 years the EU has been loosing their leadership in field after field. First to the US, then Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, now China. With the loss of the UK Arm is no longer an EU company. Have you looked into Linux commits recently [1], or where papers come from in the top CS conferences?

[1] https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by Silhouette »

axlee wrote: post #19
nivenkos wrote: post #6

How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Ban Oracle and Microsoft from public procurement and start supporting the European equivalent of Baidu or Yandex. With ARM (prior to the acquisition), Linux, MariaDB, etc. - Europe was in a great position to do this. We need to stop this digital colonialism where massive, monopolistic US corporations pay no taxes in E…

>How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Why do you make it sound like they don't? The EU invests massive amounts in technology (in regards to its paltry investment budget, but that's another debate). One does not prevent the other. And calling regulations against clear abuse "endless bureaucracy" is insidious at best.

And calling regulations against clear abuse "endless democracy" is insidious at best.

Well, GP wrote "endless bureaucracy" not "endless democracy", unless the comment has been edited.

And that, IMNSHO as someone who has founded tech businesses here, is entirely fair criticism. The environment created by all those regulations is insanely hostile to tech entrepreneurship, and it's not as if many of those regulations are well considered or effective at protecting vulnerable groups anyway.

The worst part is, I'm not convinced anyone deep inside the EU corridors of power even realises this is what they are doing. If the first step in solving a problem is understanding that it exists, the EU is still at step 0.

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by tester34 »

md9001 wrote: post #18
nivenkos wrote: post #6

How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Ban Oracle and Microsoft from public procurement and start supporting the European equivalent of Baidu or Yandex. With ARM (prior to the acquisition), Linux, MariaDB, etc. - Europe was in a great position to do this. We need to stop this digital colonialism where massive, monopolistic US corporations pay no taxes in E…

It won't happen. EU bureaucracy just likes to travel from one capital to another and enjoying 5 star comfort pretending to be extremely busy completely disconnected from reality. Its not that they haven't poured in huge amounts of cash into science and tech. Its that its all gone into building ivory towers even more disconnected from reality. So the people in those ivory towers have no clue how to compete in a ruthle…

(real question) aren't e.g Tesla, SpaceX, NASA, Boeing using govt money too?

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by Ralfp »

tester34 wrote: post #28
md9001 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't happen. EU bureaucracy just likes to travel from one capital to another and enjoying 5 star comfort pretending to be extremely busy completely disconnected from reality. Its not that they haven't poured in huge amounts of cash into science and tech. Its that its all gone into building ivory towers even more disconnected from reality. So the people in those ivory towers have no clue how to compete in a ruthle…

(real question) aren't e.g Tesla, SpaceX, NASA, Boeing using govt money too?

In fact they are:

SpaceX does gov contracts for US defense and NASA.

Tesla is selling their carbon credits to other companies.

NASA is gov agency.

Boeing is doing both defense and civilian contracts for US gov.

Re: Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling

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Post by HPsquared »

simfoo wrote: post #22
nivenkos wrote: post #6

How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? Ban Oracle and Microsoft from public procurement and start supporting the European equivalent of Baidu or Yandex. With ARM (prior to the acquisition), Linux, MariaDB, etc. - Europe was in a great position to do this. We need to stop this digital colonialism where massive, monopolistic US corporations pay no taxes in E…

>How about actually supporting the European Tech industry instead of just adding endless bureaucracy? How about doing both the first while also ensuring that european law is actually being followed? So far US monopolists have relied on being in bed with Irish lawmakers to avoid the GDPR fines.

Perhaps there is an inverse correlation between those things.
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